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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But the answer to the question about what Trump's impeachable offenses consist of (in the opinion of the House)
    The CONSTITUTION; READ it.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They did not change the Constitution. They decided it was an impeachable offense and you disagree--but it is not your decision to make.
    The House does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.
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    The Constitution gives them sole authority to impeach which means their decision is final.
    That does NOT give them authority to decide what an impeachable offense is.
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    See Nixon v. U. S. (not Richard)
    See McGrain v. Daugherty for the congressional power to subpoena
    The House does not have power of subpoena. They must use the courts.
    The Senate does not have power of subpoena unless they ARE acting as a court. Otherwise, they must use the courts.

    The Supreme Court does not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But the answer to the question about what Trump's impeachable offenses consist of (in the opinion of the House)
    Circular argument fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Circular argument fallacy.
    Only if you can't understand it and have to keep reading it over and over. There should be no problem in understanding the House impeachment articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No, you are describing the Democratic party. It is not what the people want.
    "The people" are not all trump supporters, even those who aren't Dems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    "The people" are not all trump supporters, even those who aren't Dems.
    They love lying in the name of
    "The People"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Only if you can't understand it and have to keep reading it over and over. There should be no problem in understanding the House impeachment articles.
    False authority fallacy. Circular argument fallacy. The impeachment articles do NOT define what is an impeachable offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    "The people" are not all trump supporters, even those who aren't Dems.
    "The people" are not all trump HATERS, even those who ARE Dems.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    False authority fallacy. Circular argument fallacy. The impeachment articles do NOT define what is an impeachable offense.
    It is not a false authority, it is exactly what the House passed and they are the authority. The first article charges him with abuse of power for pressuring Ukraine to assist him in his re-election campaign by damaging Democratic rivals. The second article charges him with obstruction of Congress for blocking testimony and refusing to provide documents in response to House subpoenas in the impeachment inquiry.

    Those are impeachable because he has already been impeached for those actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The CONSTITUTION; READ it.
    And the House believed those two acts met the standard of high crimes and misdemeanors and reading the Constitution tells me they have the sole power to make that determination.

    It matters little since almost all the Senators will vote straight party and they can't get a 2/3 majority to convict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is not a false authority, it is exactly what the House passed and they are the authority.
    They are not the authority. False authority fallacy. The House does not have authority to change the Constitution.
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    The first article charges him with abuse of power for pressuring Ukraine to assist him in his re-election campaign by damaging Democratic rivals.
    He didn't pressure the Ukraine on anything. Define 'abuse of power'.
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    The second article charges him with obstruction of Congress for blocking testimony and refusing to provide documents in response to House subpoenas in the impeachment inquiry.
    Not illegal. The House is not Congress. Redefinition fallacy.
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    Those are impeachable because he has already been impeached for those actions.
    False authority fallacy. Circular argument fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    And the House believed those two acts met the standard of high crimes and misdemeanors
    'Abuse of power' is not defined. 'Obstruction of Congress' has not occurred. Congress is still functioning. Trump has made no effort to stop them from functioning.
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    and reading the Constitution tells me they have the sole power to make that determination.
    You have obviously never read the Constitution. There is no such power given to the House or to the Senate.
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    It matters little since almost all the Senators will vote straight party and they can't get a 2/3 majority to convict.
    The Senate can't convict anyone. All they can do is remove the President from office.

    But they won't.

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    The founders included "high crimes and misdemeanors". We all know that high crimes should remove the president. But the lesser acts, like misdemeanors, shows they did not want a guy who is damaging the presidency and nation to stay in office if he were doing lesser acts. They also can remove the president.
    Trump is obstructing on an industrial scale. Obstruction was part of what got Nixon booted. No president ever thought of a blanket declaration of privilege. It is shocking to think a Prez would even say that, but more so that Reds would defend it.
    The constitution says "No person shall be CONVICTED without 2/3rds concurrence of the members present"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    'Abuse of power' is not defined. 'Obstruction of Congress' has not occurred. Congress is still functioning. Trump has made no effort to stop them from functioning.
    Nowhere does the Constitution say it must be defined but it does define it by saying "President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election." [and this is further explained].

    Obstruction of Congress does not mean it has to totally stop functioning, but not giving them the documents and witnesses to complete their job obstructs them. Richard Nixon did not stop Congress from functioning but not turning over the tapes and the articles of impeachment passed by the House Judiciary Committee included "withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    You have obviously never read the Constitution. There is no such power given to the House or to the Senate.
    Again, The Constitution says otherwise. "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The Senate can't convict anyone. All they can do is remove the President from office.
    The actual words in the Constitution are very different than your claims. In Article I, Section 3 regarding the Senate role in impeachment it says: "And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

    So, the Senate does convict. Technically, impeachment and conviction does not automatically mean the person is removed from office. That is one of the two punishments that can be imposed upon conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    That does NOT give them authority to decide what an impeachable offense is.
    Actually, the Constitution gives sole authority to decide what an impeachable offense is to the House of Representatives. Basically, The Founding Fathers realized it would be impossible to list out all the reasons to impeach, so gave a vague description, and a huge amount of authority to the House of Representatives.

    By the way, the House of Representatives was supposed to be the only part of the government elected by the people. They were giving the authority to the people to impeach. The Senate was supposed to be elected by the state legislat

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The House does not have power of subpoena. They must use the courts.
    You are just wrong. Congress has the power to subpoena. Where do you come up with these odd ideas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The Supreme Court does not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution.
    The Supreme Court definitely has the power to interpret the Constitution.

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