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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    simple answer, WHO CARES

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    So Biden's boast meant nothing, eh? Did you know that if the boast has some substance, that activity described in the boast is illegal, AND that Obama was in on the illegal activity? Trump is responsible for investigating corruption in government, stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Can a president solicit foreign election interference?

    Should an American president be able to ask for foreign interference in U.S. elections with impunity?

    In his now infamous phone call, Trump asked Zelensky to "do a favor," to "look into" Joe Biden. After the transcript of the call was released, Trump from the lawn of the White House said publicly that "China should start an investigation into the Bidens." Shortly there after, Trump added to "Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens."

    Now the only answer offered to that question is that Trump was supposedly looking to expose corruption, which is about as lame as it gets.

    For three years, nothing, but in an election year we are supposed to believe now Trump is focus on corruption, especially incredulous given that the only supposed corruption he is concerned with is that of a political rival. Never any problems with any of his autocratic buddies unscrupulous behavior yet still receiving our aid, not even exposed shadiness in his own Administration, but now the Ukraine bothers Trump. Did I mention lame?

    So tell us there Trumpkins, can a president solicit foreign election interference?
    Logic and Reason: If TRUMP can't withhold aid "temporarily"...…..just how did JOE BIDEN make the threat to withhold a billion dollar aid package from Ukraine under the terms of the 1998 Ukraine/US criminal investigation Treaty? You can't have your cake and eat it also.

    And no the language was not DO A FAVOER.....keep up "chuckie", the transcribed phone conversation said, "Do "us" as in WE THE PEOPLE...a favor. And as a matter of congressional record during the supposed impeachment house inquiry, the only factual witness that actually talked to Mr. Trump said under oath, "When I asked Mr. Trump just what he wanted from Ukraine, Mr Trump said, NOTHING, I WANT NOTHING, no quid pro quo, I just want Ukraine to DO THE RIGHT THING....." do the right thing? Live up to the conditions of the 1998 Treaty....and investigate why Biden had a prosecutor fired (long before Biden ever thought about running for president)….Trump was asking for an investigation into the 2016 election, not the 2020 election cycle where as of YET....BIDEN has not been appointed to any position where he would be an opponent of Mr. Trump, as he is yet to win any primary that would pit him against Mr. Trump.


    What....all you have to do to avoid investigation.....run for public office? Really? That did not appear to stop Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Clinton, etc., from investigating the candidate Donald John Trump.

    You have no logical train of thought....you only have propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    A president can investigate corruption especially from older admins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    No, quite the opposite. Hes asking about corruption. A pet peeve of their leader.
    Correct.

    Trump's trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden that he can use to discredit Joe during the run up to the 2020 election.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Correct.

    Trump's trying to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden that he can use to discredit Joe during the run up to the 2020 election.
    Trimp was draining the swamp of the corruption rampant and bragged about in the prior administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Logic and Reason: If TRUMP can't withhold aid "temporarily"...…..just how did JOE BIDEN make the threat to withhold a billion dollar aid package from Ukraine under the terms of the 1998 Ukraine/US criminal investigation Treaty? You can't have your cake and eat it also.
    A President can withhold aid temporarily IF the investigation being done concerns fraud occurring in the foreign Government the aid is destined to go to.

    A President can NOT withhold aid to a foreign Government in order to EXTORT an investigation of a political rival/for personal GAIN.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Do you think they actually believe the crap they post? I don't think so.
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    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Logic and Reason: If TRUMP can't withhold aid "temporarily"...…..just how did JOE BIDEN make the threat to withhold a billion dollar aid package from Ukraine under the terms of the 1998 Ukraine/US criminal investigation Treaty? You can't have your cake and eat it also.

    And no the language was not DO A FAVOER.....keep up "chuckie", the transcribed phone conversation said, "Do "us" as in WE THE PEOPLE...a favor. And as a matter of congressional record during the supposed impeachment house inquiry, the only factual witness that actually talked to Mr. Trump said under oath, "When I asked Mr. Trump just what he wanted from Ukraine, Mr Trump said, NOTHING, I WANT NOTHING, no quid pro quo, I just want Ukraine to DO THE RIGHT THING....." do the right thing? Live up to the conditions of the 1998 Treaty....and investigate why Biden had a prosecutor fired (long before Biden ever thought about running for president)….Trump was asking for an investigation into the 2016 election, not the 2020 election cycle where as of YET....BIDEN has not been appointed to any opponent of Mr. Trump, as he is yet to win any primary that would pit him against Mr. Trump.


    What....all you have to do to avoid investigation.....run for public office? Really? That did not appear to stop Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Clinton, etc., from investigating the candidate Donald John Trump.

    You have no logical train of thought....you only have propaganda.
    Biden threatened to withhold aid until the Ukraine removed from office their corrupt Prosecutor General, Viktor Shokin, for his failure to prosecute political corruption

    Trump threatened to withhold aid from the Ukraine until they pledged to investigate Trump's political rival.

    Two entirely different scenarios.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Trimp was draining the swamp of the corruption rampant and bragged about in the prior administration.
    Show me.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Schiff is so embarrassing, are the Democrats just going to let him go on and on and on

    I hope
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    A President can withhold aid temporarily IF the investigation being done concerns fraud occurring in the foreign Government the aid is destined to go to.

    A President can NOT withhold aid to a foreign Government in order to EXTORT an investigation of a political rival/for personal GAIN.
    So Biden is guilty as hell, under the false premise that you just presented? You don't consider it fraud to have a prosecutor fired that just happens to be investigating corruption by your son's EMPLOYER?

    Logic and Reason mixes with you idiots like oil and water no? How many chuckies do we have?

    And what did Biden gain? Over 50K a month for his son? What did Trump gain.....as the aid was released under no conditions? Biden is not a political opponent of Mr. Trump....he has not won a damn thing as far as being the parties nominee for POTUS. Hell, he keeps slipping in the polls everyday. Biden is trying to stay out prison...let along be considered as the best man for the job of Commander in Chief.

    FYI: AG BARR and hit man Durham....have the goods on the entire Obama crime spree, Rudy made sure of that. Indictments are coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    A president can investigate corruption especially from older admins.
    That wasn't the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    So Biden is guilty as hell, under the false premise that you just presented? You don't consider it fraud to have a prosecutor fired that just happens to be investigating corruption by your son's EMPLOYER?

    Logic and Reason mixes with you idiots like oil and water no? How many chuckies do we have?

    And what did Biden gain? Over 50K a month for his son? What did Trump gain.....as the aid was released under no conditions? Biden is not a political opponent of Mr. Trump....he has not won a damn thing as far as being the parties nominee for POTUS. Hell, he keeps slipping in the polls everyday. Biden is trying to stay out prison...let along be considered as the best man for the job of Commander in Chief.
    The only problem is that Shokin WASN'T investigating any corruption at Burisma.

    Shokin was removed from office, at the behest of Governmental officials from across the EU, the International monetary Fund, European diplomats and other political organizations as well as Biden, for NOT investigating the corruption at Burisma.

    Burisma Holdings was even under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

    Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

    The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The claim that Biden's "boast" had anything to do with anything illegal has been disproven too many times to count at this point.
    Lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    The fact that you continue to push this false narrative speaks volumes regarding the weakness of your position.
    Not a false narrative, dumbass. Biden made the boast. If it has substance, it's illegal activity.

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