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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    7% of Americans want an extended number of witnesses to testify. Its the GOP who stand to suffer at the ballot box.
    Which Republican Senators are in the Articles...be specific

    Only 7% of Americans want an extended number of witnesses to testify?
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    Hello Frank,

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Lots of luck with that, Poli.

    Trump could not "tell the truth" nor "man up" under any circumstances.

    Anyone continuing to support him must be doing so from a hatred of our nation.
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    They pretend it is a conservative nation.

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    It is a diverse nation with liberals and conservatives.

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    Hello floridafan,

    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    7% of Americans want an extended number of witnesses to testify. Its the GOP who stand to suffer at the ballot box.
    make that 70%
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    The Structure Problem — The Articles are structurally deficient and can only result in acquittal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Which Republican Senators are in the Articles...be specific

    Only7% of Americans want an extended number of witnesses to testify?
    That was a typo, thanks. Make that 70%

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello floridafan,



    make that 70%
    The 7% is more accurate, Snowflake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    That was a typo, thanks. Make that 70%
    Actually, the Republican Senate will determine the rules, with a simple majority.

    Nervous Nancy can go sit down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Actually, the Republican Senate will determine the rules, with a simple majority.

    Nervous Nancy can go sit down.
    The proposed rules are already a sham. The American people want a fair trial, which they will not get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Frank,



    They love the nation, but the nation they love is fictitious.

    They pretend it is a conservative nation.

    How foolish!

    It is a diverse nation with liberals and conservatives.

    And that is not a bad thing. It is a strength. We just need to learn how to use it by respecting one another. We all have something to bring to the strength of the nation. We just have to bring it in a positive way.
    WASHINGTON, D.C. --"Americans' assessment of their political ideology was unchanged in 2018 compared with the year prior when 35% on average described themselves as conservative, 35% as moderate and 26% as liberal. Although conservatives continue to outnumber liberals, the gap in conservatives' favor has narrowed from 19 percentage points in Gallup's 1992 baseline measurement to nine points each of the past two years."
    gallup.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    The proposed rules are already a sham. The American people want a fair trial, which they will not get.
    There has been no trial yet.

    The House circus showed us about unfair proceedings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    There has been no trial yet.

    The House circus showed us about unfair proceedings.
    There was absolutely nothing unfair about the house proceedings, only your constant never ending lies about what actually went on.

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    Jenna Ellis: Trump impeachment trial – Here are four legal problems House Democrats h

    Jenna Ellis: Trump impeachment trial – Here are four legal problems House Democrats have to face
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    “ 1. The Substance Problem — The Articles don’t identify any impeachable offense or even any crime

    Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution clearly and intentionally limits impeachment to instances of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” The two articles of impeachment do not allege any conduct that fits within that constitutional definition, or even any crime whatsoever. “Abuse of power” and “obstruction of Congress” are vague allegations and a newly invented theory from the Democrats — not an allegation that is a violation of any actual law.

    TRUMP TEAM CALLS 'FLIMSY' IMPEACHMENT 'DANGEROUS PERVERSION OF THE CONSTITUTION' IN LENGTHY FILING

    Trump’s brief notes that every prior presidential impeachment in U.S. history has been based on allegations of violations of existing law (specifically, criminal law). For example, though Clinton was ultimately not convicted in the Senate of an impeachable offense, that impeachment still alleged violations of existing federal criminal law — felonies. “Abuse of power” and “obstruction of Congress” are not criminal violations, just catchy phrasing that the Democrats are using to create the public perception of wrongdoing.

    2. The Process Problem — The Impeachment inquiry was irredeemably flawed

    House Democrats violated all precedent and due process while conducting their impeachment inquiry and their goal was never to ascertain the truth. Certain constitutional protections, including due process, are afforded to every defendant and the context of an impeachment and a trial is no different legally in terms of constitutional protections.

    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process.
    While the punishment for conviction in the context of a presidential impeachment is removal from office (unlike a regular criminal trial where the sentence structure is different), the fact that the penalty is unique for impeachment does not divest or remove any constitutional protections from a sitting president.

    Mitch McConnell reportedly considering 'kill switch' option for resolution setting impeachment trial's parametersVideo
    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process. If the House Democrats really wanted to ascertain the truth and fact-gather, they should have allowed minority witnesses and the president’s legal team to participate during the inquiry and not simply tried to meet their internal deadline for impeachment, and conducted their inquiry fairly.

    Malicious prosecution is seeking an outcome of conviction regardless of what the evidence shows and railroading the process. That’s exactly what the House Democrats are doing.

    3. The Evidence Problem — House Democrats have no evidence to support their claims

    The evidence in the House record shows President Trump didn’t condition security assistance or a presidential meeting on announcement of any investigations. Further, witnesses only provided their beliefs, interpretation, and speculation, and most were not even directly knowledgable of the July 25 call. The two people actually on the call—President Trump and Ukraine President Zelensky—both have affirmed there was no pressure or condition. In fact, Ukraine wasn’t even aware the aid was temporarily held, which was entirely unrelated to the phone call.

    Article II vests all executive authority in the president. This means that the Constitution gives the president sole authority to enforce all executive policy decisions, including foreign policy. While subordinates or Congress may or may not agree with these decisions, it is the president’s prerogative. The reason Trump’s legal team continues to refer to “overturning the 2016 election” is because the American people voted to elect President Trump, which means we, the voters, selected him to have and exercise the Constitution’s presidential executive authority.

    President Trump's legal team files impeachment trial brief ahead of noon deadlineVideo
    For the House to second-guess the will of the American people and impeach Trump for a policy decision they disagree with means they are trying to second-guess our choice for president.

    4. The Structure Problem — The Articles are structurally deficient and can only result in acquittal.

    In law, there is a prohibition against a charge that is “duplicitous”—that is, if it charges two or more acts or offenses in the same count.

    For example, a complaint against a defendant cannot charge only one count of speeding but allege the defendant sped in January and then again in July. Each of those two instances is separate and the evidence for each speeding allegation would have to be proven on its own.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The only way we are going to learn the real truth is if the people involved tell us what they know.

    That includes President Trump. Especially President Trump, the man who is on trial for abusing his power. He is keeping secrets from us. Secrets we deserve to know. He is the leader. We are the people. He serves us. He is nothing without us. We deserve the truth. That is what we are asking for in this impeachment trial. The truth.

    Bill Clinton testified on his own behalf at his impeachment trial. He took the oath. Got sworn in to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And he did.

    Bill Clinton faced up to the American people because the people wanted to hear the story straight from the source. Back then, people wanted to know the truth.

    Clinton knew the people wanted to hear the truth so Clinton manned up.

    Trump fans like to be lied to. They don't want to know the truth. They don't want President Trump to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    Trump fans don't want to hear from the key witnesses. They have zero interest in uncovering what has been covered up.

    There is a reason for that. They know deep down inside that Trump is dirty but they don't care, they want to block that out. Trump fans are fine with the cover-up. They are part of the cover-up.

    If you think President Trump should be protected from having to be a real leader and tell us what happened, then you are part of the cover-up. Trump is not a private citizen. He is our most prominent public official. Always tweeting everything he thinks we should hear. Except what we really want to hear, the truth. What kind of BS is that?

    Bill Clinton manned up.

    Donald Trump can't do that, won't do that. And his supporters are fine with that. They don't want to know what happened, don't want to know the truth.

    Donald Trump doesn't have it in him to man up.

    Prove me wrong.

    Go ahead.

    I dare you.

    I dare Donald Trump to man up.

    Make my day.
    That has always been the INTENT....why do you leftists assume you were herded like cattle into a REAL TRIAL? Trump has been leading your corrupt democrats around by the nose for almost 3 years now...why? To expose your methods and means to the world before you are duck walked off to prison or worse. THE PEOPLE have been awakened. The SENATE is the FIREWALL and the left's LAST STAND, just like CUSTER you thought you had the superior firepower only to be totally wiped off the face of the earth. Personally, I can't wait until the DEFENSE presents the BIDEN quid pro quo video into evidence for the world to see as the press refuses to air it.

    Careful what you wish for.....SUM BITCH, he was fired.

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    Hello floridafan,

    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    There was absolutely nothing unfair about the house proceedings, only your constant never ending lies about what actually went on.
    The only reason they are objecting to the procedure in the House is because they have no case to object to based on merit.

    Trump is guilty.

    Trump needs to be removed from office.

    Captain Kirk stood up for himself when he was court-martialled. He took the stand. He manned up.

    Bill Clinton stood up for himself when he was impeached. He took the stand. He manned up.

    Looks like pathetic liar Trump doesn't have what it takes to man up and tell all under oath.

    Oh, he's ready to explain everything as long as he can lie on twitter.

    Republicans dote on his every lying tweet.

    They like being lied to.

    They just don't want Trump to swear to tell the truth.

    That would spoil the whole Trump fantasy.

    It would pop the Trump Bubble they live in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello floridafan,



    The only reason they are objecting to the procedure in the House is because they have no case to object to based on merit.

    Trump is guilty.

    Trump needs to be removed from office.

    Captain Kirk stood up for himself when he was court-martialled. He took the stand. He manned up.

    Bill Clinton stood up for himself when he was impeached. He took the stand. He manned up.

    Looks like pathetic liar Trump doesn't have what it takes to man up and tell all under oath.

    Oh, he's ready to explain everything as long as he can lie on twitter.

    Republicans dote on his every lying tweet.

    They like being lied to.

    They just don't want Trump to swear to tell the truth.

    That would spoil the whole Trump fantasy.

    It would pop the Trump Bubble they live in.
    Well, no, Snowflake.

    You don't get a vote in the Senate.

    The Republican Senate will determine guilt or innocence.

    Care to guess the verdict?

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