This is how you do a protest

[StoneByStone]

we call that tyranny

No, it's called having laws. Cops still have limitations on what they can do.

[SmarterthanYou]

Yeah, yeah, the violent overthrow of the government, something something if the Jews only had guns in Nazi Germany.

almost correct...........not the overthrow, but a restoration

[SmarterthanYou]

No, it's called having laws. Cops still have limitations on what they can do.

having laws is one thing, but when you have a segment of the population, known as government, that can do things that we the people can't, can own things that we the people can't, then it is indeed tyranny......................

[StoneByStone]

almost correct...........not the overthrow, but a restoration

You know that would never happen, right?

[StoneByStone]

having laws is one thing, but when you have a segment of the population, known as government, that can do things that we the people can't, can own things that we the people can't, then it is indeed tyranny......................

We already have that now. We've always had that.

[SmarterthanYou]

You know that would never happen, right?

why do you think that?

[SmarterthanYou]

We already have that now. We've always had that.

we have not always had that.............do you need a somewhat new example of something that government agents can do, but we the people can't?

[Saudade]

I know, I was just using a machine gun as an example.

What should be legal is always subjective. The way I see it, a gun can be used by anyone to defend themselves. If you're really old or have health issues, defending yourself with a knife could be difficult, whereas using a gun just requires pulling the trigger. Now the downside to being able to kill people really easily, is that you can kill people really easily. So the least we can do is restrict the kind of guns and gun accessories that people can have.

We already do that by making fully automatic weapons illegal, unless you have a FFL or if you pay an exorbitant amount for a really old one.

[Saudade]

Yes, and I agreed with him. Cops aren't legally required to protect us, but it is their job, and if a cop doesn't do their job, they are (at least in theory) fired.

And because I don't think we should completely trust cops, I'm find with people owning basic guns to protect themselves. But you don't need an AR-15 or an AK-47 with a long magazine to defend yourself. People get those guns to kill large packs of people at once.

If that were true, then we'd have a lot more mass shootings than we currently do. There are thousands upon thousands of those owned by the public right now. Also, most mass shootings are done with handguns.

[Saudade]

I actually do agree with that. However, I also understand why people want to deplatform really dangerous ideas that will lead to real-world persecution. It's easy for us to talk about this here in an extremely low-stakes situation, but it's different when you have Faith Goldy on stage being applauded by hundreds of people who believe what she's saying.

But yeah, even with that being said, I don't like deplatforming.

I hear where you're coming from, but I'm glad we agree on the general principle at least.

[Saudade]

And yet we haven't lost our freedom. So there ya go, all of the Incels can calm down and go back to masturbating to Belle Delphine.

In most states, you haven't lost your freedom. In some, you really have.

[Saudade]

Which is good, but cops do have access to weapons that the rest of us don't. They're also allowed to carry guns in areas that the rest of us aren't. Part of having police is giving them a level of power the rest of us don't have.

Well, unless you have a FFL. Certain types of FFLs allow you to not only buy more powerful weapons than SWAT teams typically have, but you can make them as well.

But I agree with you in general.

[StoneByStone]

We already do that by making fully automatic weapons illegal, unless you have a FFL or if you pay an exorbitant amount for a really old one.

But we also have accessories that make it extremely easy to kill large groups of people.

[StoneByStone]

If that were true, then we'd have a lot more mass shootings than we currently do. There are thousands upon thousands of those owned by the public right now. Also, most mass shootings are done with handguns.

Well America does have more mass shootings than any other first world country.

[StoneByStone]

In most states, you haven't lost your freedom. In some, you really have.

Which states would you say the people don't have freedom?