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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I don't think they need to declare it........its pretty much obvious to everyone that it wasn't "forever", but was "never".......
    Consider this:

    Congress impeaches Trump, for the second time.

    The Senate is not allowed to do anything else, while they're engaged with the first Articles of Impeachment; for example, accepting the Articles regarding the second impeachment.

    If the Articles of Impeachment aren't delivered to the Senate and accepted, prior to the new Congress and Senate being sworn in, then they disappear.

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    I sincerely hope that the Democrats want a do over and actually do it. that will completely and utterly expose them as the criminal mafia that they are using a constitutional check as a political weapon. the death knell of the D party
    The war on crime, war on drugs, war on terror, and now the war on opiods.............there's a reason they call it a war. So you idiots will easily accept the collateral damage of innocents

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    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process.

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    Hello archives,

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Key House Democrats pressing the Senate to hear from new witnesses in President Trump’s impeachment trial are leaving the door open to another possibility: calling those witnesses themselves if Senate Republicans do not."

    "If McConnell has his way and prevents new witnesses from appearing, they may find a stage in the House, where a number of Democrats are already advocating for their testimony if they’re silenced by the Senate."

    "This week, Parnas offered vivid new details of that campaign, providing Democrats with a trove of documents, phone records, emails and text-messages related to his communications with Giuliani, a disreputable Ukrainian prosecutor, an unstable Republican landscaper. Much of the information Parnas provided came in the form of concrete communications records and physical documents."

    "Aside from Parnas and Bolton, Democrats are also clamoring to hear testimony from a number of other administration officials, many of whom had declined to appear before the lower chamber last year after the White House blocked their participation."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-senate-doesnt

    Could be really interesting if the Intelligence Committee took up the hearings with Nunes being the minority leader
    "Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which had some jurisdiction over Trump's impeachment, stopped just short of saying Democrats would summon relevant witnesses if the Senate does not. But he left the door wide open to doing so, vowing that Democrats will charge ahead with their Ukrainian investigation “if we're feeling that we're being played and that they're not being forthcoming with the truth.”

    “We're not going to just say, ‘OK, we've disposed of it and now the ball’s in their court and there’s nothing left for us to do.’ I think quite the contrary,” Engel said. “The more we hear, and the more things come out, the more resolute we are to make sure that we're dealing with the truth, and that it’s not being swept under the rug.”"

    "The Democrats' impeachment case rests on the argument that Trump violated his office in withholding almost $400 million in military aid to Ukraine last summer to pressure the country's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open investigations into the 2016 elections and the son of former Vice President Joe Biden. Both probes might have helped Trump politically, and Democrats charged the president on two fronts: abusing his power in seeking foreign help in an election; and obstructing Congress as the House sought to investigate the affair."

    "“The president necessitated this by his abuse of power and his obstruction of Congress and his actions which undermined our national security, violated his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution and jeopardized the integrity of our elections,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday."

    If President Trump is innocent then he should tell us in his own words, under oath, what happened.

    President Trump should take the stand, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. He is our leader. We are his people. We have placed our trust in him. He owes us that much.

    Anybody who doesn't want to know the truth is part of a cover-up.

    We don't need a cover-up.

    We don't need to be lied to.

    We need to know what really happened.

    And if President Trump doesn't have it in him to man up then we will have to depend on the House to call more witnesses.

    Only after we have heard from the key witnesses can we know the truth.
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    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    THE HOUSE CANNOT ACT OUTSIDE THE RULES OF THE SENATE DURING AN IMPEACHMENT.


    WHO THE FUCK DO THE STALIN-O-CRATS THINKS THEY ARE?


    I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY HAD "OVERWHELMING PROOF"...

    MUST BE LIKE SCHIFF'S "OVERWHELMING PROOF OG TRUMP/RUSSIA COLLUSION...
    They do have overwhelming proof that Trump attempted to shake-down Zelensky in an attempt to get foreign help in his (Trump's) re-election efforts.

    But "overwhelming proof" means nothing to the Republican cowards in the Senate. They know that Trump could shoot someone in cold blood on Fifth Avenue with cameras recording it...and they would acquit. Trump could torture puppies on the White House lawn...and his moronic supporters would find a way it was an act of genius.

    Trump support is an example of ignorance...not of loyalty.
    Trump…more than just an ignorant, classless boor. He also is the worst president in American history.

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    What is this call for new and more witnesses? I thought the House impeachment inquiry was a slam dunk. So why do the Dems need more? Could it be that they know the impeachment was all politics and doesn't have a chance in the Senate.

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    Hunter Biden = Whataboutism.
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    Jenna Ellis: Trump impeachment trial – Here are four legal problems House Democrats h

    Jenna Ellis: Trump impeachment trial – Here are four legal problems House Democrats have to face
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    “ 1. The Substance Problem — The Articles don’t identify any impeachable offense or even any crime

    Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution clearly and intentionally limits impeachment to instances of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” The two articles of impeachment do not allege any conduct that fits within that constitutional definition, or even any crime whatsoever. “Abuse of power” and “obstruction of Congress” are vague allegations and a newly invented theory from the Democrats — not an allegation that is a violation of any actual law.

    TRUMP TEAM CALLS 'FLIMSY' IMPEACHMENT 'DANGEROUS PERVERSION OF THE CONSTITUTION' IN LENGTHY FILING

    Trump’s brief notes that every prior presidential impeachment in U.S. history has been based on allegations of violations of existing law (specifically, criminal law). For example, though Clinton was ultimately not convicted in the Senate of an impeachable offense, that impeachment still alleged violations of existing federal criminal law — felonies. “Abuse of power” and “obstruction of Congress” are not criminal violations, just catchy phrasing that the Democrats are using to create the public perception of wrongdoing.

    2. The Process Problem — The Impeachment inquiry was irredeemably flawed

    House Democrats violated all precedent and due process while conducting their impeachment inquiry and their goal was never to ascertain the truth. Certain constitutional protections, including due process, are afforded to every defendant and the context of an impeachment and a trial is no different legally in terms of constitutional protections.

    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process.
    While the punishment for conviction in the context of a presidential impeachment is removal from office (unlike a regular criminal trial where the sentence structure is different), the fact that the penalty is unique for impeachment does not divest or remove any constitutional protections from a sitting president.

    Mitch McConnell reportedly considering 'kill switch' option for resolution setting impeachment trial's parametersVideo
    It’s not up to the Senate to now try to help the House’s flawed and illegal inquiry by entertaining witnesses or curing a defective process. If the House Democrats really wanted to ascertain the truth and fact-gather, they should have allowed minority witnesses and the president’s legal team to participate during the inquiry and not simply tried to meet their internal deadline for impeachment, and conducted their inquiry fairly.

    Malicious prosecution is seeking an outcome of conviction regardless of what the evidence shows and railroading the process. That’s exactly what the House Democrats are doing.

    3. The Evidence Problem — House Democrats have no evidence to support their claims

    The evidence in the House record shows President Trump didn’t condition security assistance or a presidential meeting on announcement of any investigations. Further, witnesses only provided their beliefs, interpretation, and speculation, and most were not even directly knowledgable of the July 25 call. The two people actually on the call—President Trump and Ukraine President Zelensky—both have affirmed there was no pressure or condition. In fact, Ukraine wasn’t even aware the aid was temporarily held, which was entirely unrelated to the phone call.

    Article II vests all executive authority in the president. This means that the Constitution gives the president sole authority to enforce all executive policy decisions, including foreign policy. While subordinates or Congress may or may not agree with these decisions, it is the president’s prerogative. The reason Trump’s legal team continues to refer to “overturning the 2016 election” is because the American people voted to elect President Trump, which means we, the voters, selected him to have and exercise the Constitution’s presidential executive authority.

    President Trump's legal team files impeachment trial brief ahead of noon deadlineVideo
    For the House to second-guess the will of the American people and impeach Trump for a policy decision they disagree with means they are trying to second-guess our choice for president.

    4. The Structure Problem — The Articles are structurally deficient and can only result in acquittal.

    In law, there is a prohibition against a charge that is “duplicitous”—that is, if it charges two or more acts or offenses in the same count.

    For example, a complaint against a defendant cannot charge only one count of speeding but allege the defendant sped in January and then again in July. Each of those two instances is separate and the evidence for each speeding allegation would have to be proven on its own.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hunter Biden = Whataboutism.
    Actually, corrupt Hunter and his corrupt dad are at the heart of this sham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hunter Biden = Whataboutism.
    whataboutism is the new deflection tactic
    The war on crime, war on drugs, war on terror, and now the war on opiods.............there's a reason they call it a war. So you idiots will easily accept the collateral damage of innocents

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