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    Default Ia person is a complete butt hole.

    If a person is a privately and publicly a complete butt hole can that person be an effective president? If not why? Please be precise in your reasons pro or con.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    If a person is a privately and publicly a complete butt hole can that person be an effective president? If not why? Please be precise in your reasons pro or con.
    I do not accept the premise underlying your question

    The problem is not Trump being a jerk.

    The problem is, by presidential standards, he is a pathological liar, very stupid, shockingly uniformed, and completely lacking the etiquette and temperament the office of the presidency calls for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I do not accept the premise underlying your question

    The problem is not Trump being a jerk.

    The problem is, by presidential standards, he is a pathological liar, very stupid, shockingly uniformed, and completely lacking the etiquette and temperament the office of the presidency calls for.
    So you are saying that Trump is a nice guy just a bad president. LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    So you are saying that Trump is a nice guy just a bad president. LMAO
    he is an evil sociopath owned and operated by Putin you blind sociopathic dupe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I do not accept the premise underlying your question

    The problem is not Trump being a jerk.

    The problem is, by presidential standards, he is a pathological liar, very stupid, shockingly uniformed, and completely lacking the etiquette and temperament the office of the presidency calls for.
    Strange how someone you consider all those things, and I don't agree with you, could so handily kick the ass of someone your black boy said was the most qualified to ever run for the office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I do not accept the premise underlying your question

    The problem is not Trump being a jerk.

    The problem is, by presidential standards, he is a pathological liar, very stupid, shockingly uniformed, and completely lacking the etiquette and temperament the office of the presidency calls for.
    Translation:

    "I long for the days Republican Presidents let the left and MSM shit and piss on him without saying a word."

    See; W Booosh

    Thank God, those days are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I do not accept the premise underlying your question

    The problem is not Trump being a jerk.

    The problem is, by presidential standards, he is a pathological liar, very stupid, shockingly uniformed, and completely lacking the etiquette and temperament the office of the presidency calls for.
    What a load of bullshit, Johnson was far worse!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    What a load of bullshit, Johnson was far worse!!
    gosh what was wrong with Johnson?.......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    If a person is a privately and publicly a complete butt hole can that person be an effective president? If not why? Please be precise in your reasons pro or con.
    I think we have to define "butt hole" first. What does that mean to most of us?

    If we reach an agreement that "butt hole" = cruel, petty, weak, bullying, dishonest, cheating (in all senses of that word), rude, belligerent, unable to compromise, lacking in empathy then I would say no, that person is not a good person nor would he/she make a good leader in a modern ostensibly-free country like the U.S. Leading free people requires a lot of empathy -- understanding what issues they face and also how the opposition party feels about things. A good leader would ask him/herself: "How can I work with the other side to address these issues that concern our people?"

    We haven't seen any of *that* around lately, at the top, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I think we have to define "butt hole" first. What does that mean to most of us?

    If we reach an agreement that "butt hole" = cruel, petty, weak, bullying, dishonest, cheating (in all senses of that word), rude, belligerent, unable to compromise, lacking in empathy then I would say no, that person is not a good person nor would he/she make a good leader in a modern ostensibly-free country like the U.S. Leading free people requires a lot of empathy -- understanding what issues they face and also how the opposition party feels about things. A good leader would ask him/herself: "How can I work with the other side to address these issues that concern our people?"

    We haven't seen any of *that* around lately, at the top, eh?
    which is why I call them bot holes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I think we have to define "butt hole" first. What does that mean to most of us?

    If we reach an agreement that "butt hole" = cruel, petty, weak, bullying, dishonest, cheating (in all senses of that word), rude, belligerent, unable to compromise, lacking in empathy then I would say no, that person is not a good person nor would he/she make a good leader in a modern ostensibly-free country like the U.S. Leading free people requires a lot of empathy -- understanding what issues they face and also how the opposition party feels about things. A good leader would ask him/herself: "How can I work with the other side to address these issues that concern our people?"

    We haven't seen any of *that* around lately, at the top, eh?
    You pretty much got his personality down. I disagree that that automatically makes him a bad president. In some aspects yes in others no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    You pretty much got his personality down. I disagree that that automatically makes him a bad president. In some aspects yes in others no.
    his actions make him a bad president

    the fact that Putin owns and operates his actions make him a bad president

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    You pretty much got his personality down. I disagree that that automatically makes him a bad president. In some aspects yes in others no.
    Hmm, care to elaborate in what ways you believe that he is "good"?

    The problem with being a narcissistic and weak person is that you have a constant need for attention and applause. You base your decisions not on what is good for the people you are leading, but on how your decisions will play to your supporters.

    Let's use immigration as an example. A narcissistic and weak POTUS will whip his base into frenzies over illegal immigration, promise to build giant walls to protect them (and make the country of origin pay for it nyuck nyuck). He won't look at all the good people and positive attributes they've brought. He will focus on crime, disease, filth, skin color, language, etc. to promote fear and anger. He will tell them that judges who are U.S. citizens who are of that ethnicity cannot be fair because of their ethnic background. He will refuse to work with the other side to craft a sensible reform plan that will allow *some* immigrants to remain or enter, but not all because we must care for our own citizens first. When nothing works he will move on to the next Concern Du Jour and repeat the process.

    This isn't leadership. It's a h.s. bully trying to stay popular by appealing to the worst instincts of his ever-shrinking fan club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Hmm, care to elaborate in what ways you believe that he is "good"?

    The problem with being a narcissistic and weak person is that you have a constant need for attention and applause. You base your decisions not on what is good for the people you are leading, but on how your decisions will play to your supporters.

    Let's use immigration as an example. A narcissistic and weak POTUS will whip his base into frenzies over illegal immigration, promise to build giant walls to protect them (and make the country of origin pay for it nyuck nyuck). He won't look at all the good people and positive attributes they've brought. He will focus on crime, disease, filth, skin color, language, etc. to promote fear and anger. He will tell them that judges who are U.S. citizens who are of that ethnicity cannot be fair because of their ethnic background. He will refuse to work with the other side to craft a sensible reform plan that will allow *some* immigrants to remain or enter, but not all because we must care for our own citizens first. When nothing works he will move on to the next Concern Du Jour and repeat the process.

    This isn't leadership. It's a h.s. bully trying to stay popular by appealing to the worst instincts of his ever-shrinking fan club.
    One is the economy, unemployment, getting countries to cover some of the cost of our stationing troops to help protect them. Those are just a few things he is doing right.
    I don't like Trump but at least I'm willing to give credit where credit is due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    One is the economy, unemployment, getting countries to cover some of the cost of our stationing troops to help protect them. Those are just a few things he is doing right.
    I don't like Trump but at least I'm willing to give credit where credit is due.
    The economy was going gang-busters when he was sworn in. As far as the NATO/UN stuff, that could have been accomplished (if it was, which I seriously doubt) by any POTUS simply via negotiation and diplomacy, neither of which TRE45ON has a clue about.

    Character matters. It matters whether you are merely an individual living a private life, or a CEO, or a POTUS. The higher you are in whatever hierarchy you find yourself, the more character matters. In the end, it matters more than wealth or place of birth or gender or appearance. Bluster and bullying can only take you so far.
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