"Hey, John (KELLY), what's this all about, what's the tour of?" Trump at PEARL HARBOR

[Centerleftfl]

...or just maybe it could be the fact that we really don't want Democrats to take power. Trump isn't the ideal president by any stretch, but I'd still take him over the candidates and policies of the Democrats.

If the Democrats went back to being moderate (like in the 90s), then I'd consider voting for them, but that ship has sailed, it would seem.

A criminal and bizarre laughing stock is NOT IDEAL? Wow. You really have set your expectations low.

Republican White trash in the White House is better than a black Democrat in the WH or ANY Democrat in the WH? Does that about sum it up?

[tsuke]

They're all dead but thanks for your feigned interest.

Thoughts and prayers. Maybe it's just as well they would weep to see the traitor you and your party have become

[Nordberg]

...or just maybe it could be the fact that we really don't want Democrats to take power. Trump isn't the ideal president by any stretch, but I'd still take him over the candidates and policies of the Democrats.

If the Democrats went back to being moderate (like in the 90s), then I'd consider voting for them, but that ship has sailed, it would seem.

Both parties redistribute the wealth through taxes and policies. can you tell who has been winning? The top 10 percent have doubled their wealth in the last few years while the people,le are stagnating or losing. The Dems think the people should share the profits that their labor creates. The top 22 out of 23 countries have universal healthcare. It wasn't too had for them to institute. We are off on a terrible tack making the rich so much richer . Vote for a billionaire and find out how it ends. it will not be for your benefit.

[Centerleftfl]

Thoughts and prayers. Maybe it's just as well they would weep to see the traitor you and your party have become

Traitor to what?

[Saudade]

A criminal and bizarre laughing stock is NOT IDEAL? Wow. You really have set your expectations low.

Republican White trash in the White House is better than a black Democrat in the WH or ANY Democrat in the WH? Does that about sum it up?

That's the portrayal that the mainstream media likes to go with, but a lot of Americans despise the media and the elitist culture that goes along with it. It's why we sympathize with Trump. He's hated by the same people that hate us as a group.

Your use of "white trash" is exactly what I'm talking about. Rural whites have always been mocked by mainstream media, and so it shouldn't be a surprise that we have no interest in siding with you or your party.

There was a time when Democrats were more representative of the white working class, but that time is over.

[Saudade]

Both parties redistribute the wealth through taxes and policies. can you tell who has been winning? The top 10 percent have doubled their wealth in the last few years while the people,le are stagnating or losing. The Dems think the people should share the profits that their labor creates. The top 22 out of 23 countries have universal healthcare. It wasn't too had for them to institute. We are off on a terrible tack making the rich so much richer . Vote for a billionaire and find out how it ends. it will not be for your benefit.

How much the wealthy makes is of no concern to me. I care about wage growth among the working class. That's the problem with a lot of progressives. They spend all this time looking at how much the wealthy make without focusing on what actually matters -- economic growth.

In most countries with significant economic growth, the top sees the most gains. That's normal. What matters is that some gains happen for everyone else, but that isn't accomplished by taxing the wealthy more. It has to do with keeping government out of the way of business expansion and investment.

I'm ok with having some sort of socialized medicine, but it should be similar to France's system, not that of the UK or Canada. France has a better design, because there are significant public and private sectors for healthcare that play to the strengths of each market. Public healthcare is better for preventive and basic care, whereas private healthcare is better for advanced care. It's why French citizens pay significant taxes for the public system while still having private insurance to supplement it.

What progressives and liberals must face, however, is that every country with socialized medicine taxes the average citizen more than we do. They don't try to pile on all of the additional taxes against the wealthy. So, if you want to sell the idea of socialized medicine to the public, you're going to have to be honest and let them know that they will be paying more in taxes overall.

Convincing the average citizen to pay more in taxes isn't easy, because they have to trust that the increase in taxation will result in better government services. As many of the high tax states in the US show us, that's not always true.

[Nordberg]

How much the wealthy makes is of no concern to me. I care about wage growth among the working class. That's the problem with a lot of progressives. They spend all this time looking at how much the wealthy make without focusing on what actually matters -- economic growth.

In most countries with significant economic growth, the top sees the most gains. That's normal. What matters is that some gains happen for everyone else, but that isn't accomplished by taxing the wealthy more. It has to do with keeping government out of the way of business expansion and investment.

I'm ok with having some sort of socialized medicine, but it should be similar to France's system, not that of the UK or Canada. France has a better design, because there are significant public and private sectors for healthcare that play to the strengths of each market. Public healthcare is better for preventive and basic care, whereas private healthcare is better for advanced care. It's why French citizens pay significant taxes for the public system while still having private insurance to supplement it.

What progressives and liberals must face, however, is that every country with socialized medicine taxes the average citizen more than we do. They don't try to pile on all of the additional taxes against the wealthy. So, if you want to sell the idea of socialized medicine to the public, you're going to have to be honest and let them know that they will be paying more in taxes overall.

Convincing the average citizen to pay more in taxes isn't easy, because they have to trust that the increase in taxation will result in better government services. As many of the high tax states in the US show us, that's not always true.

You really do not understand the policy is to take the money to the top. We focus on that because that is what the Repub policies have mandated.
You are diverted on the tax issues. Universal medical care is cheaper. Full medical coverage for all would save tons of money. It also would remove the cost of healthcare from corporations instantly making them more competitive across the globe. It would also take the administration out of their hands. You have be honest and admit that we pay more than double for less healthcare and denial to millions of citizens.

[dukkha]

How much the wealthy makes is of no concern to me. I care about wage growth among the working class. That's the problem with a lot of progressives. They spend all this time looking at how much the wealthy make without focusing on what actually matters -- economic growth.

In most countries with significant economic growth, the top sees the most gains. That's normal. What matters is that some gains happen for everyone else, but that isn't accomplished by taxing the wealthy more. It has to do with keeping government out of the way of business expansion and investment.

I'm ok with having some sort of socialized medicine, but it should be similar to France's system, not that of the UK or Canada. France has a better design, because there are significant public and private sectors for healthcare that play to the strengths of each market. Public healthcare is better for preventive and basic care, whereas private healthcare is better for advanced care. It's why French citizens pay significant taxes for the public system while still having private insurance to supplement it.

What progressives and liberals must face, however, is that every country with socialized medicine taxes the average citizen more than we do. They don't try to pile on all of the additional taxes against the wealthy. So, if you want to sell the idea of socialized medicine to the public, you're going to have to be honest and let them know that they will be paying more in taxes overall.

Convincing the average citizen to pay more in taxes isn't easy, because they have to trust that the increase in taxation will result in better government services. As many of the high tax states in the US show us, that's not always true.

outstanding post. well said. all of it

[Saudade]

You really do not understand the policy is to take the money to the top. We focus on that because that is what the Repub policies have mandated.
You are diverted on the tax issues. Universal medical care is cheaper. Full medical coverage for all would save tons of money. It also would remove the cost of healthcare from corporations instantly making them more competitive across the globe. It would also take the administration out of their hands. You have be honest and admit that we pay more than double for less healthcare and denial to millions of citizens.

I'm not "diverted" at all. It is a simple reality that any nation with socialized medicine has higher personal taxation than us at almost every level of income. There are exceptions to this, and some variance is present due to exceptionally high taxing US states, but on average, Americans pay less in taxes than most Europeans. Yes, socialized medicine would reduce costs on many things, but it would not reduce taxation.

[Callinectes]

More disclosures from the book "VERY STABLE GENIUS." Actually I heard about this story but it is STILL FUCKING HARD TO BELIEVE. Trump was born, what the year WW2 ended? Had 'heard of it' (PEARL HARBOR). Oh well, he gets points for having heard of it, right? The guy with the 'big brain' who went to 'one of the top schools'. There isn't a baby boomer alive who doesn't know about PEARL HARBOR. Or the Arizona.

PS Doesn't Trump have properties in HI? He wouldn't have thought to, say, maybe visit?

There are 7. This is one of my favorites....

Seven Craziest Revelations from Excerpts of the New Trump Exposé Very Stable Genius

By Ken MeyerJan 15th, 2020, 1:40 pm


“Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?” Trump asks his then-chief of staff John Kelly, as the men prepare to take a private tour of the USS Arizona Memorial, which commemorates the December 1941 Japanese surprise attack in the Pacific that pulled the United States into World War II.

“Trump had heard the phrase ‘Pearl Harbor’ and appeared to understand that he was visiting the scene of a historic battle, but he did not seem to know much else,” write the authors, later quoting a former senior White House adviser who concludes: “He was at times dangerously uninformed.”...



https://www.mediaite.com/print/seven...stable-genius/

Damn, get a fucking life. Not everyone has seen the Arizona Memorial

[evince]

I get all that!! In the meantime I have no problem pointing out each and every bizarre utterance this buffoon makes. Not to mention his complete LACK of basic knowledge on a whole host of subjects that a no name JUNIOR COLLEGE graduate understands. We hired a fucking moron.

you mean who Putin hired

[evince]

I'm not "diverted" at all. It is a simple reality that any nation with socialized medicine has higher personal taxation than us at almost every level of income. There are exceptions to this, and some variance is present due to exceptionally high taxing US states, but on average, Americans pay less in taxes than most Europeans. Yes, socialized medicine would reduce costs on many things, but it would not reduce taxation.

dear fucking idiot,


every American would pay less for care


who cares what you label the expense

yes taxes would go up


and people would no longer have the costs they currently have for medical care.


the trade off is people would NEVER AGAIN WORRY ABOUT LOSING COVERAGE and pay less


fuck you very much

[Saudade]

dear fucking idiot,


every American would pay less for care


who cares what you label the expense

yes taxes would go up


and people would no longer have the costs they currently have for medical care.


the trade off is people would NEVER AGAIN WORRY ABOUT LOSING COVERAGE and pay less


fuck you very much

Lighten up, Francis.

How expenses are garnered is actually very important. Higher taxes mean less consumer spending, which a lot of the economy depends on.

If you actually utilize some reading comprehension, you'll notice that I'm not opposed to socialized medicine overall. I'm just making the point that Democrats have to be honest in what implementing it means for the average person in terms of taxes.

[Centerleftfl]

dear fucking idiot,


every American would pay less for care




who cares what you label the expense

yes taxes would go up


and people would no longer have the costs they currently have for medical care.

the trade off is people would NEVER AGAIN WORRY ABOUT LOSING COVERAGE and pay less

fuck you very much

AND they wouldn't lose their HOUSES. And they would be able to get better jobs because the COLLECTIONS on their 'credit report' wouldn't take a hit. And their credit score would be higher and they could buy more SHIT. And their net worth would go up because they could buy better real estate because they wouldn't being paying astronomical premiums AND deductibles. And their stress levels would decrease making them more productive. And and and and...

[evince]

Lighten up, Francis.

How expenses are garnered is actually very important. Higher taxes mean less consumer spending, which a lot of the economy depends on.

If you actually utilize some reading comprehension, you'll notice that I'm not opposed to socialized medicine overall. I'm just making the point that Democrats have to be honest in what implementing it means for the average person in terms of taxes.

dear fucking idiot

the people will no longer be paying for the current healthcare costs


the cost burden is shifted into their tax return and all the money they currently spend on healthcare would be included in that tax.


they would never again have to write a check to any Dr, pharmacy, testing facility, Insurance company .


just have some taxes taken at the end of the year like they already do.


sick people walk into a dr office and say "hey Im sick and need to see the Dr"


NO IMMEDIATE ASK FOR MONEY

just " oh Im sorry to hear your sick the dr has an opening at 3 will that do?"


No feeling of well we only care about you if you give us your money


and if you are not going to give us some money get out


fuck you very much