The Democrats witness dilemma

[christiefan915]

If the Bidens are guilty of corruption, then Trump will have done nothing wrong.

That's not what the GAO just said.

[Darth Omar]

Biden committed the first. The second is not a crime.

They want to make appealing congressional subpoenas to the courts, a criminal and/or impeachable offense.

Yes, they really want to do this.

[Minister of Truth]

Do you know what the Impound Control Act is? If you don't ask your handlers to look it up for you.

Do you know what branch of government sets the foreign policy agenda and also is charged with executing the laws (such as investigating someone for corruption)?

[Minister of Truth]

That's not what the GAO just said.

I guess the plainly obvious needs litigating.

[Darth Omar]

That's not what the GAO just said.

Days, before the trial lol.

Timely, don’t you think? And wouldn’t that be something that would be run through the court system under *normal* circumstances? Executive vs legislative authority and all that REALLY BORING STUFF that 99% of Americans don’t pay attention to?

[christiefan915]

Days, before the trial lol.

Timely, don’t you think? And wouldn’t that be something that would be run through the court system under *normal* circumstances? Executive vs legislative authority and all that REALLY BORING STUFF that 99% of Americans don’t pay attention to?

People in govt. were talking about this months ago. Also we talked about it then on JPP so it's not like a bomb was dropped. The GAO just put some muscle behind it.

[Darth Omar]

People in govt. were talking about this months ago. Also we talked about it then on JPP so it's not like a bomb was dropped. The GAO just put some muscle behind it.

Has the law ever been tested in the courts lol?

[Flash]

Trump asked for an investigation of him.

It doesn’t matter if it turns out one was warranted??

That is a big stretch. If Hunter Biden did something illegal that has little to do with the bigger issue of corruption in the Ukraine which was supposedly his concern. There is big corruption in several other countries we provide aid to he did not call them asking for investigations or withholding aid.

Since Zelensky was elected on an anti-corruption platform it seems Trump would not need to tell him to investigate corruption. The former prosecutor already investigated Biden (and ended it) so Zelensky had to already know about the problem. I think Trump supporters want to believe him and don't want him removed so they defend him by repeating Republican explanations.

[Darth Omar]

That is a big stretch. If Hunter Biden did something illegal that has little to do with the bigger issue of corruption in the Ukraine which was supposedly his concern. There is big corruption in several other countries we provide aid to he did not call them asking for investigations or withholding aid.

Since Zelensky was elected on an anti-corruption platform it seems Trump would not need to tell him to investigate corruption. The former prosecutor already investigated Biden (and ended it) so Zelensky had to already know about the problem. I think Trump supporters want to believe him and don't want him removed so they defend him by repeating Republican explanations.

Trump asked that Hunter Biden be investigated *specifically*.

Not Elizabeth Warren or Bernie. And if ‘doesn’t matter’ if Trump was right in asking for it? I don’t follow that at all.

[christiefan915]

Has the law ever been tested in the courts lol?

I don't know. Has it ever had to be before this lol?

[christiefan915]

Trump asked that Hunter Biden be investigated *specifically*.

Not Elizabeth Warren or Bernie. And if ‘doesn’t matter’ if Trump was right in asking for it? I don’t follow that at all.

He definitely asked Zelensky to look into Joe Biden.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

[jimmymccready]

If they voted on the articles as they stand, Trump walks.

Witnesses are a gambit for Democrats. You can admit or not.

Let me interrupt your confidence with my expertise. Witnesses are always a gamble, and the Bidens are not worth the bet for the GOP. But some of them will try it anyway.

[USFREEDOM911]

It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.

[Nordberg]

Parnov is singing like a canary. Know what he hasn't said anything about? Any corruption on the part of Biden.

He specifically said Biden did nothing wrong.

[Darth Omar]

He definitely asked Zelensky to look into Joe Biden.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Joe bragged about it and it did sound horrible lol?