Earl (01-18-2020)
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
Earl (01-18-2020)
Well, there’s only one leaked conversation to go by so who knows what Trump has asked other leaders about corruption. We do know he doesn’t like wasting US tax dollars on foreign nations after getting the NATO members to pony-up. In that sense, it’s hardly outlandish that Trump would ‘pressure’ Zelensky on corruption.
Regarding number 1: why did it take so long for someone to be concerned about the obvious conflict of interest in the cozy Hunter Biden/Burisma arrangement? That never should have gone on and none of the anti-Trumpers can explain why it was allowed to go on.
Trump should ignore it because Biden was a possible political opponent lol? I don’t understand the objection.
Number 2: Trump asks for a public announcement of an investigation into the Biden’s. Political opportunism is hardly an impeachable offense.
Who handed Trump the opportunity on a Golden Platter? Ultimately, Obama. If Joe Biden wasn’t going to shut it down—Obama should have since he was president. As pointed out previously, none of this would have happened had someone stepped in and either prevented Hunter from accepting the ‘job’ with Burisma; or, if Hunter was going to take the job, Joe Biden should have recused from playing Obama’s Point Man on Ukraine.
Because that sure as hell at least *looks* corrupt.
But we’re all supposed to pretend none of that was a big deal but Trump should be impeached for asking Zelensky to investigate it.
If that looks like it makes zero sense—it’s because it doesn’t make any sense. Yet, here we are.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Earl (01-18-2020), USFREEDOM911 (01-18-2020)
I remember with Limbaugh, his high price lawyers got the evidence of his other attempts to get drugs ruled inadmissible, because it would prejudice the jury. Then he claimed it had never happened, because it was ruled inadmissible.
It still happened. It is just the right wing judge who was hearing the case felt that having the jury find out what Limbaugh was doing would make them think he was guilty.
Earl (01-18-2020)
The President can’t order congress to do anything but he’s certainly over the DOJ lol.
Why did Obama allow such a blatant conflict of interest to exist with Biden’s/Burisma in Ukraine? I don’t fault Obama for not investigating it but he’s certainly at fault for allowing it to go on.
And since he did allow it to go on, there’s no fault whatsoever in Trump asking Zelensky to investigate it—particularly, after Joe’s QPQ boasting that was captured on video.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Earl (01-18-2020)
even people who didn't go to law school should be smart enough to realize I'm right.........you I expect nothing from.......if evidence is inadmissible in court it is inadmissible for a reason........and if it is inadmissible for a reason it shouldn't be considered to be evidence of anything except perhaps the stupidity of those who credit it.......
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
Earl (01-18-2020)
If trump had credible evidence of anything, he could certainly call the FBI. In fact, a call from the president would not need anywhere as much evidence as a call from anyone else.
The fact is trump had no evidence of anything wrong, and really had no interest in a real investigation. Why would he want foreigners to conduct the investigation anyway?
What trump was demanding was the Ukraine hold a press conference announcing the investigation. He had no interest in an actual investigation. It was the press conference he wanted.
Biden(the son) was brought into Burisma to clean it up to western standards. No one denies that there were crimes(by western standards) before Biden, but you cannot pin that on Biden. Burisma now passes western due diligence standards, which means it is crime free enough.
Earl (01-18-2020)
christiefan915 (01-18-2020)
Burisma Holdings Limited is based in the Ukraine...the investigation should have been done in the country of origin.
The Ukrainians are better equipped to investigate corruption in their own country than we are. A seemingly obvious point.
Burisma was under investigation. Then the investigation was suspended for reasons that aren’t exactly crystal clear. Then Burisma was never investigated again, while Hunter was being paid $50k/month to sit on the board. If that doesn’t constitute probable cause for an investigation—it’s certainly sniffing around the edges.
And we all know how low a bar probable cause is after the Russian Hoax investigation.
At any rate, Democrats can fully expect many ‘inconvenient’ questions to be asked of Hunter Biden if the Senate votes to have witnesses. Hunter is a recovering drug addict that got booted from the Navy and managed to get a stripper pregnant. Under normal circumstances, the prosecution wouldn’t want him anywhere near the witness stand.
I guess we’ll see how daring Senate Democrats are.
Last edited by Darth Omar; 01-18-2020 at 07:31 AM.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Earl (01-18-2020)
You are quite deep into the far RW fantasy world, aren't you?
Personally I don't care if they call either Biden. They have nothing to offer on the charges that TRE45ON abused his authority as IMPOTUS by withholding Ukraine's aid in order to receive political favors. You only want them to obfuscate things. Fine, have them.
As for the WB, figure out a way that his identity can be protected and call him/her, too. Everything his report alleged has been verified by the House witnesses and will be re-verified when they testify in the Senate trial. The so-called link to Schiff is tenuous at best. Wouldn't you prefer the speculation that Schiff is somehow dirty over the truth that he is not?
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Earl (01-18-2020), USFREEDOM911 (01-18-2020)
christiefan915 (01-18-2020)
This isn’t going to be the tightly controlled House investigation, all over again, so there’s no point in deluding yourself with the notion Hunter Biden has nothing to offer in Trump’s defense. If the Biden’s are dirty—or even if they come out looking more suspiciously dirty than they already do, then Trump will be justified in asking [and even pressuring] Zelensky for an investigation. That Trump would benefit politically is irrelevant. IOW, game over.
A Senate trial, with witnesses, will be an opportunity to dump the whole can of worms on the table to see what crawls out.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Earl (01-18-2020), USFREEDOM911 (01-18-2020)
I agree. Let's do it. The decades and millions of dollars spent investigating the Clintons for naught weren't enough for you guys. You can't win fair and square so this is how you "win"... so just do it. There is no actual dirt on the Bidens. I look forward to this being proven in court. All you have is innuendo and faux Fox reporting in a last desperate attempt to save your filthy corrupt IMPOTUS. And this is why McConnell et al do NOT want ANY witnesses. They've got no defense.
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
USFREEDOM911 (01-18-2020)
christiefan915 (01-18-2020), Cypress (01-18-2020)
You’re guessing/hoping the Biden’s aren’t dirty lol.
At worst, Trump is guilty of a lame attempt at pressuring Zelensky to announce an investigation into a matter that is *worthy of an investigation*. The investigation never happened, the Ukrainians got their money and lethal weapons and etc.
Many reasonable people would say ‘no harm, no foul’ or call it a Silly Burger.
At worst, Hunter Biden was involved in a Ukrainian protection racket, which raises the question of whether Obama was aware of it.
Let’s dump all the worms on the table.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
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