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    It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

    Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

    At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

    Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

    Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

    This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.
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    It's a slam dunk acquittal if Jesus testified against Trump.

    The Bidens, if called, will testify.

    The trade off for Mitch is that he will have to call Bolton and Parnas and Pompeo and Nunes as well if he wants the Bidens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    It's a slam dunk acquittal if Jesus testified against Trump.

    The Bidens, if called, will testify.

    The trade off for Mitch is that he will have to call Bolton and Parnas and Pompeo and Nunes as well if he wants the Bidens.
    If they voted on the articles as they stand, Trump walks.

    Witnesses are a gambit for Democrats. You can admit or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

    Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

    At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

    Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

    Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

    This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.
    This trial is all about Donald Trump and no one else. You are trying so hard to muddy the waters, but it won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    This trial is all about Donald Trump and no one else. You are trying so hard to muddy the waters, but it won't work.
    In a ‘fair’ trial the defense gets to call their own witnesses lol.

    You want a fair trial, right? If Hunter turns out Ukraine-dirty, poof. It doesn’t matter what Bolton says, Trump was justified in withholding the aid—*assuming* he did. As president he was justified anyway, but you get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

    Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

    At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

    Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

    Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

    This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.
    Hunter Biden is not charged with anything nor is on trial. Nor is a witness to any abuse of power that Trump committed.

    Moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    In a ‘fair’ trial the defense gets to call their own witnesses lol.

    You want a fair trial, right? If Hunter turns out Ukraine-dirty, poof. It doesn’t matter what Bolton says, Trump was justified in withholding the aid—*assuming* he did. As president he was justified anyway, but you get the idea.
    Under no conditions was trump justified in with holding aid. Could it be just a coincidence that this aid was released immediately after the whistleblower came forward.
    Please show us, my dear, where trump was justified in withholding aid payments approved by congress.
    You did hear Mr. Parnas say that everything was about investigating Biden, no one cared about corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

    Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

    At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

    Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

    Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

    This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.
    Parnov is singing like a canary. Know what he hasn't said anything about? Any corruption on the part of Biden.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    In a ‘fair’ trial the defense gets to call their own witnesses lol.

    You want a fair trial, right? If Hunter turns out Ukraine-dirty, poof. It doesn’t matter what Bolton says, Trump was justified in withholding the aid—*assuming* he did. As president he was justified anyway, but you get the idea.
    There is no justification for blackmail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    If the Bidens are guilty of corruption, then Trump will have done nothing wrong.
    trump could NOT hold up aid to Ukraine- period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    There is no justification for blackmail.
    A justifiable investigation isn’t blackmail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    If they voted on the articles as they stand, Trump walks.

    Witnesses are a gambit for Democrats. You can admit or not.
    Dems dont want bidens even though they will already have synced their stories.
    Im loving Rand Paul breaking bad on gop threatening to side with dems. They KNOW he is serious.
    Dont close the book on dismiss just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    If the Bidens are guilty of corruption, then Trump will have done nothing wrong.
    Bullshit. He was still blackmailing Zelensky.

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