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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    rather self-serving isn't it?......
    So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Why?
    It is part of the duty of the President to investigate corruption in government. The Hunter/Biden deal showed a corruption in government, involving Joe Biden and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    “No evidence”?

    lol

    You’re a liar and a fool.
    That's what he said. No evidence. Read his post again... n o e v i d e n c e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Poroshenko was corrupt and trump had no problem delivering money to him without demanding an investigation into the Bidens. He could have made the same demand of Poroshenko that he made of Zelensky but he didn't, and we all know why. Use your head for once.
    Show me evidence that Trump "demanded" a Biden investigation, or admit you lied.

    And Poroshenko was apparently party to the Hunter cover up.

    "On April 18, 2018, an alleged recording of part of a conversation between President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and fugitive Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksandr Onyshchenko was released by Onyshchenko which implicated Zlochevsky in graft.[3][23][24]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Zlochevsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is the duty of the president to ask foreign leaders to investigate American citizens in their country? That is not the president's duty.
    Yes it is, if the investigate reveals some corruption U.S. government.
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    What was the cause to begin such an investigation--
    Ask the Ucrainian government.
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    what evidence did they have?
    Ask the Ukranian government.
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    Being appointed to a board with no experience is not a crime and happens all the time in the U. S.
    Begin paid enormous sums of money to gain influence against the Ukranian government IS.
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    And the Ukraine already did an investigation.
    No, they didn't. You forget the extortion by Joe Biden and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    Bernie's a 1%er......Nancy is a 1%er.......Elizabeth Warren is a 1%er........Obama is a 1%er.......tons of lib'ruls in the top 1%........
    What?!? You DARE to point to their ill-gotten wealth?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    You forgot WHY Joe went to Ukraine. At the behest of the US, NATO, EU and the IMF to remove an incompetent prosecutor.
    The prosecutor that happened to be investigating the energy company his son worked at.

    The US didn't request it.
    NATO didn't request it. They could care less about the Ukraine.
    The EU didn't request it. They could care less about the Ukraine.
    The IMF didn't request it. They could care less about the Ukraine.

    You're a liar, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    My point is that trump didn't care about investigating corruption under Poroshenko. He only "cared" after Biden threw his hat in the ring.
    Liar. There was a Pentagon investigation into Ukraine gov't corruption before the 2nd javelin package was approved. Then the gov't changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    So?
    if you believe he's God it's rather pointless to have him swear to tell the truth........if you don't its rather pointless to have him testify to anything....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Wow, rough group... And rough side of the politics. If CFM were on my side, I would not be on his side.
    Rest assured, boy, I wouldn't be on your side. You're an idiot left winger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    no, there is a third option.....we can ignore the bullshit you pretend is fact and send you home to lick your wounds that haven't healed since 2016............when are you fucks going to realize that no sane person in this country believes the shit you make up......
    What did I make up? NAME IT!

    We'll see who is making shit up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Liar. There was a Pentagon investigation into Ukraine gov't corruption before the 2nd javelin package was approved. Then the gov't changed.
    Cite. I haven't seen anything like that.

    "The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017. The sale was competed in March 2018, when the State Department announced it would sell Ukraine 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers worth $47 million. The State Department approved an additional sale of the anti-tank missiles to Ukraine in October."
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Cite. I haven't seen anything like that.

    "The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017. The sale was competed in March 2018, when the State Department announced it would sell Ukraine 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers worth $47 million. The State Department approved an additional sale of the anti-tank missiles to Ukraine in October."
    https://www.foreign.senate.gov/www.foreign.senate.gov › press › ranking › release › fact-sheet-dod-c...
    Fact Sheet: DOD Certified that Ukraine Met Corruption ...
    Oct 23, 2019 - TRUMP-UKRAINE SCANDAL ... But DOD Had Twice Certified Ukraine's Progress on Corruption: Long before ... must certify that certain anti-corruption reforms have taken place. ... 423 Dirksen Senate Office Building · Washington, DC 20510-6225 · (202) 224-4651 · Web_Inquiry@foreign.senate.gov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Show me evidence that Trump "demanded" a Biden investigation, or admit you lied.

    And Poroshenko was apparently party to the Hunter cover up.

    "On April 18, 2018, an alleged recording of part of a conversation between President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and fugitive Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksandr Onyshchenko was released by Onyshchenko which implicated Zlochevsky in graft.[3][23][24]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Zlochevsky
    I'm saying "demanded" because trump never released a complete and unredacted version of the July phone call showing that he just wanted a favor. It was edited and abridged; if it was "perfect" trump had nothing to hide. My position is that there was stronger quid pro quo language in the report than what's been reported.

    And re: the second comment, what's your point? The call took place a year before Biden started to campaign yet no one called for an investigation and trump didn't withhold money over it, even though, according to your article, "Onyshchenko claimed that there would be no problems with the United States because Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, and former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski were on the board of Zlochevsky’s Burisma firm."
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