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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    incorrect attribution. the thing/person being memorialized can have different characteristics.
    So you want to revise history, then.

    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    I wouldn't expect a blind progressive to anything other then that to understand nuance -but there it is
    The problem with this self-victimization is that your nuance is about as subtle as a jackhammer, and so is the nuance of the unwashed Trampanzees who wave that dumb flag with glee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Also, any Conservatives who exercises sophistry about the Civil War while neglecting to mention that Lincoln and the Republicans literally fought the war to preserve federal authority over the states is a fucking dipshit.

    Conservatives, aka "small government buttheads" are completely at ideological odds with the Republican Party of 1863.
    True, the Republicans of the Civil War era were anything but right, they didn't refer to them as the "Radical Republicans" because they were conservative

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    if they could do it, why cant we?


    Union soldiers (left) and confederate soldiers (right) shake hands at Gettysburg on the 50th anniversary of the battle, 1913

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ihopefully your insanity doesn't prevail, although young progs are exceedingly unable to do details.
    Oh, what details am I missing?

    They fought for slavery, lost, and have whined about it ever since.

    They wave that flag as a way of saying "sure, our bullshit garbage beliefs were defeated, but we're keeping the spirit of those bullshit garbage beliefs alive. Nyah!"

    Fuck those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Congress gave Confederates amnisty, and recognition after the war. I'll go wit the contemporaries who lived through it instead of Cultural Revolution types like you why deny history
    Again, tearing down their monuments doesn't erase the fact that they lost.

    Particularly if you keep all the Union monuments up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So you want to revise history, then.

    Got it.
    you are the revisionist by purification and simplification .History is rich and complex -you deny it

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Again, tearing down their monuments doesn't erase the fact that they lost.

    Particularly if you keep all the Union monuments up.
    ROFL..complete silliness from someone who has obviously never walked a battle field

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    I said "Age of Exploration" and he was a leading figure of that period
    No he wasn't! He was so dumb and racist, he thought the Caribbean was India. He never set foot in what would become America.

    Amerigo Vespuci was the first European to do so, hence why it's called "North America" and not "North Columbus".

    And before him, the Vikings set foot in North America centuries before.

    Fuck, even the Chinese and Japanese and Pacific Islanders made expeditions as far as the Aleutian Islands and the Pacific coast before Europeans did.

    Stop.

    You're not an American, are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    the Civil war is much more then about who lost
    It's about who we were, how we ended the original sin of slavery, and then became a modern nation-
    all part of a continuuim
    And how does the Confederate Flag teach any of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    if they could do it, why cant we?


    Union soldiers (left) and confederate soldiers (right) shake hands at Gettysburg on the 50th anniversary of the battle, 1913
    Every single person in that photo is white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    you are the revisionist by purification and simplification .History is rich and complex -you deny it
    How am I revisionist when you're the one arguing that we need to BoThSiDeS traitors and losers?

    Let's compromise; we'll tear all the Confederate monuments down but keep all the Union ones up.

    That way, you still get your history. Does that work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ROFL..complete silliness from someone who has obviously never walked a battle field
    LOL!

    You've never served in combat or a battle, and I think you're lying about visiting historic battlegrounds sites.

    Besides, you don't need a Confederate flag or a monument to a loser to remember who won the war.

    If you think monuments and flags are so important, why not argue to just keep the Union monuments and Union flags? Why do Confederates need participation trophies? Are they so fragile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    there are all kinds of monuments, some are really disgusting.
    I think it was Tenn that had a monument to a slave auction building! they finally took it down.

    But they are other markers like the generic one in Virginia with simply a Rebel soldier.

    Back in Baltimore where I come from I recall a statue of Christopher Columbus that was in a park near
    where I grew up.
    It was recently vandalized and removed...damn shame
    WTF is "racist" about the Age of Exploration? it's how this continent became populated by Europeans.

    Point being "it was what it was" and historical revisionism by it's very definition is not historical accuracy.
    Teach the Truth
    Partially true, very difficult to appraise the standards of one era in history by those of another, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the existing version of history if it obviously contradicts the actual facts

    I can understand removing the Columbus statue, it offends a lot of people, Chris didn't discover the Americas, he kinda ran into them, and what resulted afterwards negatively reshaped the lives of generations to follow.

    Confederate flag should go, initially it was just a banner flag, but since the days of Jim Crow it took on a newer meaning and has been closely associated with racism, there just isn't any need for it, says little about the Civil War

    So your next question would be what is acceptable, to which I would respond there is no absolute, no predetermined judgement, it often comes down to a case by case examination

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Go to Germany, you won't see a single Nazi flag being waved about, but every German knows who the Nazis were and are.
    Because they are prohibited (now who is being lazy?).

    The U. S. does not allow such fascist restrictions on freedom and liberty.

    Should we also close down the Civil War battleground museums that the South won?

    You want to lead us to a Fahrenheit 451 society.

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