Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo

[Flash]

Flash has no idea who any of these people are, and doesn't really care.

Please, LV426 always makes false assumptions about everything. He claims I am a millennial. He claims I don't live in the South. He claims I don't know who any of these people are. The more the insults the less he knows about a topic.

James Byrd lived about 30 miles from me and I had Sheriff Billy Rowles speak to my class.

[Flash]

You hear that, families of the black victims of the Charleston mass murder? Or the Walmart mass murder? Or the Waffle House mass murder? Or any of the modern lynchings of black people by white supremacists (law enforcement included)?

Some of you live successful lives, if you're lucky enough to not be a victim of the racist violence that is intrinsically linked to the history the flag which Flash wants to erase because it makes him uncomfortable.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable--I am not the one who wants to ban things because they are not PC. To believe violence, racist or otherwise, is due to a flag and Civil War ignores the history of the world. You are always looking for simplistic explanations

[Flash]

OK, cool...so then if I made it possible for that flag I designed to be in your face everywhere you go for your entire life, you'd be cool with that? You'd be cool with all your neighbors flying that flag?

I wouldn't kill or hurt anybody for it or blame it for any problems I have.

You, on the other hand, are willing to assault or kill people doing nothing but wearing a Nazi uniform (and think it is legal). That is seething hostility expressed in the form of intolerant political beliefs.

[Flash]

You don't even fucking LIVE in the South, Flash. I do. So now what you're saying is that the erasing of history by erecting that flag and flying it about without its proper context was successful...which is the ultimate goal of those fascists; to erase history.

Where do you think I live? You thought I was a millennial and that you can limit free speech that is protected. Now you want to restrict flags and symbols somebody told you are "bad" and have a "proper context."

[Saudade]

Please, LV426 always makes false assumptions about everything. He claims I am a millennial. He claims I don't live in the South. He claims I don't know who any of these people are. The more the insults the less he knows about a topic.

James Byrd lived about 30 miles from me and I had Sheriff Billy Rowles speak to my class.

You have a lot more patience with this guy than I do. That being said, great posts.

[Walt]

Just a reminder, the "Confederate Flag" is not the actual Confederate Flag. It is a modified battle flag of the Confederacy, but most Confederate veterans did not recognize it when it became popular after the war. It really has little to do with the Civil War.

The "Confederate Flag" is actually the flag of the KKK. It is a flag that represents a racist terrorist group meant to subvert the USA.

[CFM]

Please, LV426 always makes false assumptions about everything. He claims I am a millennial. He claims I don't live in the South. He claims I don't know who any of these people are. The more the insults the less he knows about a topic.

James Byrd lived about 30 miles from me and I had Sheriff Billy Rowles speak to my class.

He claimed he could do a lot of things related to investigative skills he had. He was offered the opportunity to do so and hasn't been heard from since.

[artichoke]

Just a reminder, the "Confederate Flag" is not the actual Confederate Flag. It is a modified battle flag of the Confederacy, but most Confederate veterans did not recognize it when it became popular after the war. It really has little to do with the Civil War.

And there were 26 different versions of this flag prior to its current iteration.



By your logic, the fact that our current version isn't what we spent most of our existence as a republic marching under and recognizing as our flag means that it can be separated out as meaning something completely different by any fringe group that wants to hijack its identity. Like the asinine "OK" hand gesture controversy, this is about the irrational book-burners of the left arbitrarily assigning a meaning that they want to exist, and then rushing in to use their own made-up assertion to invalidate, silence, and rewrite anything that doesn't fit with their predetermined worldview.

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From left-wing Snopes:

"Herein lies the problem with symbols: They have no inherent meanings; they have only whatever meanings people choose to read into them, and different people can associate very different meanings with the same symbol...It is true that for several decades after the Civil War, the Confederate battle flag was not widely perceived as a negative symbol. Its use was largely limited to historical ceremonies associated with veterans’ events and war memorials; the flag did not become the symbol most prominently associated with the Confederacy until several decades after the Civil War ended, and it was not widely perceived as a politically polarizing symbol until it was appropriated by segregationist politicians and groups in the middle of the twentieth century."

The reality is that every country in the Western Hemisphere abolished slavery peacefully except ours because our abolitionists were unhinged left-wing extremists who lawlessly and tyrannically refused to allow a sane or legal process to unfold, obstructing every alternative to war. To many, the flag is a symbol of defiance of Constitution-shredding tyrants who illegally invaded, slaughtered, and enslaved half the republic to free a tiny population of slaves slightly more quickly...not the excuse used to justify self-righteously violating everyone's rights (slavery).

[CFM]

Just a reminder, the "Confederate Flag" is not the actual Confederate Flag. It is a modified battle flag of the Confederacy, but most Confederate veterans did not recognize it when it became popular after the war. It really has little to do with the Civil War.

The "Confederate Flag" is actually the flag of the KKK. It is a flag that represents a racist terrorist group meant to subvert the USA.

If the "Confederate Flag" to which you refer is not, as you claim, an actual Confederate flag, why was its design part of the 2nd National Flag of the Confederacy?

I have a replica of the 1st National Flag and the Bonnie Blue flag, both considered as flags of the Confederacy. Some supposed educated lefty thought the 1st National was the U.S. flag from the days of the Revolutionary War and the Bonnie Blue flag meant I was a Dallas Cowboy fan.

[Mott the Hoople]

Just a reminder, the "Confederate Flag" is not the actual Confederate Flag. It is a modified battle flag of the Confederacy, but most Confederate veterans did not recognize it when it became popular after the war. It really has little to do with the Civil War.

The "Confederate Flag" is actually the flag of the KKK. It is a flag that represents a racist terrorist group meant to subvert the USA.

That’s a fairly accurate summary. The stars and bars was the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Outside of Virginia it wasn’t particularly well recognized until it became a symbol for Southerners who opposed the post WWII Civil Rights Movement.

I have no problem with the flag of the ANV representing Southern antebellum history in its due place and appropriate communities. It certainly has no place here in Ohio and other States who fought the Confederacy, for example.

Unfortunately it was co-opted by those who opposed the Civil Rights Movement, including the Klan, so is now seen by many as a symbol of bigotry and racism. So it stands to reason why an African American community would find it offensive too.

Having said that I’m proud to be a lineal descendant of a man Who served in the GAR and I do respect and understand the pride my Southern counterparts have for the role they sacrificed for in one of history’s great counterrevolutions.

[Walt]

You, on the other hand, are willing to assault or kill people doing nothing but wearing a Nazi uniform (and think it is legal).

I cannot think of an example of a Neo Nazi being murdered for just wearing a Neo-Nazi uniform. There are many, many cases where Neo-Nazis have murdered other people, but they are rarely murdered. I think making the Neo-Nazis victims is disingenuous at best.

This attempt to "reframe" the worst antisemitic attacks in American history as attacks of the Jews on Neo-Nazis is just a plain lie.

[Irish]

A Civil War museum in Frederick, Maryland, that used to have a Confederate flag on its logo ditched the controversial symbol in a new logo that was unveiled Wednesday.

The two affiliated museums, which now also have the new logo, include the Clara Barton Missing Soldiers Office in D.C. and the Pry House Field Hospital Museum in Keedysville, Maryland.

https://wtop.com/frederick-county/20...g-on-new-logo/

Cool!

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

What "mistakes" does the Confederate Flag represent?

How does it "represent the past"?

How does it "reflect" on where we have come if you're still flying it?

You're absolutely a fucking racist.

you're moronic.

[Walt]

Why are Republicans getting so upset when governments no longer want to support racist monuments? They claim to believe in freedom of speech, but then want to ban governments from not making racist statements? Shouldn't governments have the right to decide who they want to memorialize?

For instance, the New Orleans "Battle of Liberty Place Monument". Republicans claim it is a Civil War monument, but the so call "Battle of Liberty Place" happened nearly a decade after the Civil War. It was a murder of almost a dozen police officers, and the monument supports the murder of police officers. That is right, Republicans are actually taking the side of cop killers.

The taxpayers/voters of New Orleans should have the right to say their tax money should not go to the support of cop killers. If Republicans want to support cop killers, they should do it with their own money.

[artichoke]

Why are Republicans getting so upset when governments no longer want to support racist monuments?

The people throwing tantrums against inanimate objects and hysterically tearing down and lying about our history are calling other people "upset?"



How about don't illegally invade, slaughter, and enslave half the republic to free one tiny population of slaves slightly more quickly if you don't want people to rally around symbols they associate with defying your Constitution-shredding treason?

They claim to believe in freedom of speech, but then want to ban governments from not making racist statements?

Wrong again. Learn how to read. No one is arguing that a state shouldn't be allowed to govern itself however it sees fit. DEMOCRATS attack state sovereignty, not conservatives. That's actually what the entire Civil War was about. Seriously, crack open a book sometime.

For instance, the New Orleans "Battle of Liberty Place Monument". Republicans claim it is a Civil War monument, but the so call "Battle of Liberty Place" happened nearly a decade after the Civil War. It was a murder of almost a dozen police officers, and the monument supports the murder of police officers. That is right, Republicans are actually taking the side of cop killers.

The taxpayers/voters of New Orleans should have the right to say their tax money should not go to the support of cop killers. If Republicans want to support cop killers, they should do it with their own money.

This isn't an example of Republicans opposing a state's right to decide what it wants on memorials. Are you seriously incapable of reasoning out the difference between objecting to the logic of something and banning it? DEMOCRATS ban everything they don't like. Thinking adults only ban things that actually violate people's rights. And resisting treason isn't "taking the side of cop killers." If conservatives invaded the People's Republic of California, put a gun to everyone's head, and forced a fake election of a government that completely contradicted everything the socialist parasites of that state wanted and voted for, killing them for their Constitution-shredding treason would not be spun by dishonest partisan hacks like you as "taking the side of cop killers." That's desperate, ridiculous spin on its face.