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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Both have already made public statements of being partial.

    What a crock if they are allowed to swear impartiality with no objections.

    Justice Roberts, we are counting on you.

    Reject both of them!
    As a practical matter they can do it by saying not under oath at T1 "I am biased and unfair" and at T2 under oath and say, "changed my mind I will be unbiased and fair."
    Then do whatever the fuck they want.

    As a matter of substance, however, you are absolutely correct, they violate their oaths ab initio and would be challenged and removed for cause by any real jury.
    In fact, if the Senate were a jury panel, you would not have to burn a single peremptory challenge on any Republican senator. They are all going to violate oaths of office if they vote to not remove TRump.*

    This impeachment is nothing less than a loyalty test to the United States of America.

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    Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth when President Trump is found innocent..and re-elected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth when President Trump is found innocent..and re-elected?
    I have an idea. You are so eager for an innocent ruling, we could change the Senate rules to allow that. We will have three possible verdicts: guilty, not proven guilty, and innocent. And each and every Republican goes on record voting one of those three ways. It would be a good way to get rid of some of these Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I have an idea. You are so eager for an innocent ruling, we could change the Senate rules to allow that. We will have three possible verdicts: guilty, not proven guilty, and innocent. And each and every Republican goes on record voting one of those three ways. It would be a good way to get rid of some of these Republicans.
    You don’t get to set the Senate rules.

    Innocent until proven guilty, the bedrock of American jurisprudence.

    A fair and impartial Senate, unlike the circus in the House, then exoneration and then re-election.

    Is today a school day?

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    Hello Walt,

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The German Government has no say in how much German doctors make. Germany has 3.4 doctors per 1,000 people, while the USA only has 2.3.
    That's the crux of it.

    They claim that the capitalist free market should determine the price of health care, but then they seek to rig that market by severely limiting the number of physicians, and the availability of health care.

    The best schools which train doctors have not expanded the number of students they accept in direct proportion to US population growth, thus ensuring that the most sought-after degrees from the most prestigious schools become more and more exclusive as time goes on

    We should be cranking out doctors and health care people willy nilly and building hospitals and providers left and right so that health care is so available, the price of it would fall until it is on par with the price of health care in other nations.

    But no. We are not doing that. If we did that, the profit margin would shrink. And we all know they are primarily in it for the money.
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    Hello Walt,

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I have an idea. You are so eager for an innocent ruling, we could change the Senate rules to allow that. We will have three possible verdicts: guilty, not proven guilty, and innocent. And each and every Republican goes on record voting one of those three ways. It would be a good way to get rid of some of these Republicans.
    Don't give the Republicans ideas.

    If you go there, Republicans will change the rules so that there are only two possible verdicts. Innocent and totally innocent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Walt,



    That's the crux of it.

    They claim that the capitalist free market should determine the price of health care, but then they seek to rig that market by severely limiting the number of physicians, and the availability of health care.

    The best schools which train doctors have not expanded the number of students they accept in direct proportion to US population growth, thus ensuring that the most sought-after degrees from the most prestigious schools become more and more exclusive as time goes on

    We should be cranking out doctors and health care people willy nilly and building hospitals and providers left and right so that health care is so available, the price of it would fall until it is on par with the price of health care in other nations.

    But no. We are not doing that. If we did that, the profit margin would shrink. And we all know they are primarily in it for the money.
    It's a guild. A tight one. You don't need to master ocular surgery to pass out penicillin pills. They should crank out physician assistants like sausage, give them
    autonomy and set the pay at about what pharmacists make. MDs won't allow that.

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    Hello Micawber,

    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    It's a guild. A tight one. You don't need to master ocular surgery to pass out penicillin pills. They should crank out physician assistants like sausage, give them
    autonomy and set the pay at about what pharmacists make. MDs won't allow that.
    They've got their golden goose. They get the gold, we get goosed.
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    Hello Micawber,

    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    It's a guild. A tight one. You don't need to master ocular surgery to pass out penicillin pills. They should crank out physician assistants like sausage, give them
    autonomy and set the pay at about what pharmacists make. MDs won't allow that.
    AMA = Profit Protection Agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    You are very adamant about your beliefs, but that does not make them true.
    Say the people pushing their third debunked impeachment hoax.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump and Hitler supported a version of strong man guided capitalism
    This is provably false. As the many examples already posted demonstrate, Hitler's platform was as anti-capitalism as Bernie Sanders'. This is beyond dispute. Learn how to read and try doing your homework before making blatantly false assertions like this. You are very adamant about your beliefs, but that does not make them true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    where a single leader choses who is successful in capitalism.
    Hand-picking economic winners and losers was OBAMA'S 8-year obsession, not Trump's (Obamacare, the bailouts, Solyndra, the war on coal, Dodd-Frank, etc.).



    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Most of the rest of the world are like Democrats and think that government should limit who the losers are, but not pick winners.
    Attachment 14016

    Setting aside your ad populum fallacy here, what Democrats and other socialists like Hitler have always wanted, by their own admission, was total nanny state control over every aspect of life. The ultimate one-percenter would-be dictators. For example, Obamacare's own architects are on the record admitting that the trillion-dollar health care takeover was a straight-up scam to destroy free market health care and leave nothing standing but government to pick up the pieces. And contrary to everything we were promised, it absolutely did destroy competition, removed freedom of choice, and skyrocketed insurance premiums, out-of-pocket costs, and deductibles on virtually everyone.

    Try again.



    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump and Hitler referred to the press as the enemy of the people.
    What else would you call people who were caught lying to push:

    -the Russia collusion hoax,
    -the "Investigating Biden's corruption is worse than Biden BEING corrupt" hoax,
    -the Covington Catholic hoax,
    -the Roy Moore pedophile hoax,
    -the Kavanaugh rape gang hoax,
    -the "repealing Net Neutrality will destroy the Internet" hoax,
    -the Jussie Smollett hoax,
    -the Charlottesville "very fine people" hoax,
    -the Duke Lacrosse team hoax,
    -the fake Ukraine transcript hoax,
    -the Trayvon Martin hoax,
    -the "Trump admitted to sexual assault" hoax,
    -the "penises cause climate change" hoax,
    -the "uninsured crisis" hoax,
    -the "Trump denying passports to Latinos" hoax,
    -the multitude of college hate crime hoaxes,
    -the "Mission Accomplished" hoax,
    -the "deceptively edited video" Planned Parenthood hoax,
    -the "children in cages" hoax,
    -the Michael Cohen perjury/contacting the Russians hoaxes,
    -the SPLC "hate group" hoax,
    -the "Trump mocking people with disabilities" hoax,
    -the "you can keep your doctor" hoax,
    -the "immigrants are rapists, criminals, animals" hoax,
    -the Kavanaugh "white power symbol" hoax,
    -the "Trump asked Putin to hack the DNC" hoax,
    -the polar bear dying from climate change hoax,
    -the "Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to purchase guns" hoax,
    -the Scaramucci Russian bankers hoax,
    -the "Muslim ban" hoax,
    -the global warming "consensus" hoax,
    -the "Obama's scandal-free presidency" hoax,
    -the Trump Jr. WikiLeaks hoax,
    -the Iran nuclear appeasement hoax,
    -the "polls show Trump will lose" hoax,
    -the "Obamacare will never fund abortions or illegal immigrants" hoax,
    -the "Hillary exonerated" hoax,
    -the "white privilege" hoax,
    -the voter suppression hoax,
    -and the "hands up don't shoot" hoax?

    Finding one demonstrable fact that two people happen to agree on does not make their policies anything alike...or magically negate the myriad of mirror-image policy positions Democrats and Nazis have in common, as already demonstrated.



    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump has called for strong censorship against members of the press who say things he does not like.
    Criticizing the media's blatantly corrupt and biased abuses of power is not the same thing as what Democrats and Hitler did...like illegally spying on and targeting journalists who questioned them too much, silencing and retaliating against whistle-blowers, blacklisting entire media outlets, etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Say the people pushing their third debunked impeachment hoax.



    This is provably false. As the many examples already posted demonstrate, Hitler's platform was as anti-capitalism as Bernie Sanders'. This is beyond dispute. Learn how to read and try doing your homework before making blatantly false assertions like this. You are very adamant about your beliefs, but that does not make them true.



    Hand-picking economic winners and losers was OBAMA'S 8-year obsession, not Trump's (Obamacare, the bailouts, Solyndra, the war on coal, Dodd-Frank, etc.).





    Attachment 14016

    Setting aside your ad populum fallacy here, what Democrats and other socialists like Hitler have always wanted, by their own admission, was total nanny state control over every aspect of life. The ultimate one-percenter would-be dictators. For example, Obamacare's own architects are on the record admitting that the trillion-dollar health care takeover was a straight-up scam to destroy free market health care and leave nothing standing but government to pick up the pieces. And contrary to everything we were promised, it absolutely did destroy competition, removed freedom of choice, and skyrocketed insurance premiums, out-of-pocket costs, and deductibles on virtually everyone.

    Try again.





    What else would you call people who were caught lying to push:

    -the Russia collusion hoax,
    -the "Investigating Biden's corruption is worse than Biden BEING corrupt" hoax,
    -the Covington Catholic hoax,
    -the Roy Moore pedophile hoax,
    -the Kavanaugh rape gang hoax,
    -the "repealing Net Neutrality will destroy the Internet" hoax,
    -the Jussie Smollett hoax,
    -the Charlottesville "very fine people" hoax,
    -the Duke Lacrosse team hoax,
    -the fake Ukraine transcript hoax,
    -the Trayvon Martin hoax,
    -the "Trump admitted to sexual assault" hoax,
    -the "penises cause climate change" hoax,
    -the "uninsured crisis" hoax,
    -the "Trump denying passports to Latinos" hoax,
    -the multitude of college hate crime hoaxes,
    -the "Mission Accomplished" hoax,
    -the "deceptively edited video" Planned Parenthood hoax,
    -the "children in cages" hoax,
    -the Michael Cohen perjury/contacting the Russians hoaxes,
    -the SPLC "hate group" hoax,
    -the "Trump mocking people with disabilities" hoax,
    -the "you can keep your doctor" hoax,
    -the "immigrants are rapists, criminals, animals" hoax,
    -the Kavanaugh "white power symbol" hoax,
    -the "Trump asked Putin to hack the DNC" hoax,
    -the polar bear dying from climate change hoax,
    -the "Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to purchase guns" hoax,
    -the Scaramucci Russian bankers hoax,
    -the "Muslim ban" hoax,
    -the global warming "consensus" hoax,
    -the "Obama's scandal-free presidency" hoax,
    -the Trump Jr. WikiLeaks hoax,
    -the Iran nuclear appeasement hoax,
    -the "polls show Trump will lose" hoax,
    -the "Obamacare will never fund abortions or illegal immigrants" hoax,
    -the "Hillary exonerated" hoax,
    -the "white privilege" hoax,
    -the voter suppression hoax,
    -and the "hands up don't shoot" hoax?

    Finding one demonstrable fact that two people happen to agree on does not make their policies anything alike...or magically negate the myriad of mirror-image policy positions Democrats and Nazis have in common, as already demonstrated.





    Criticizing the media's blatantly corrupt and biased abuses of power is not the same thing as what Democrats and Hitler did...like illegally spying on and targeting journalists who questioned them too much, silencing and retaliating against whistle-blowers, blacklisting entire media outlets, etc.



    Next.
    All you've got is your usual Gish Gallop of right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theories. As if constantly repeating the same BS makes it true. Trump hates free speech unless it's speech that agrees with or idolizes him. He attacks any news outlet that dares to tell the truth about him. As you and the other Trump cultists here demonstrate, "impartiality" to the right means "Trump, TRUMP,[font size="4" ]TRUMP[/font]!". The right has abandoned all loyalty to America. All that they have now is loyalty to Trump.
    And Obamacare was only indirectly responsible for skyrocketing premiums. That was the direct result of the insurance companies wanting to undermine Obamacare, as the next step would have been single payer.
    And, like most on the right, you appear to have no real idea what socialism is. It's just a vague insult that you throw around without understanding. Much like most of what you post.

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