We Have To Get Rid Of Trump To Fix The Climate

[Walt]

Bullshit, here are a list of eminent scientists that are climate sceptics. There are many many more, I doubt that you've heard of any of them!

Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.

[Walt]

You don't get to speak for all the scientists in the world. You only get to speak for you.

Now, let's talk about the science you want to deny.

The first law of thermodynamics states that you cannot create energy out of nothing. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and where all this extra energy to warm the Earth is coming from.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that you cannot make heat flow from cold to hot. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and how a colder gas like CO2 can warm the already warmer surface.
The Stefan-Boltzmann law states that if temperature increases, radiance must also increase. If radiance decreases, it follows that temperature must also decrease. Please describe 'greenhouse effect' and how it fails to reduce radiance (by blocking infrared light) and increase the temperature at the same time.
The daylit surface of the ISS can approach 250 deg F. There is no CO2, no water vapor, no methane, no appreciable atmosphere of any kind. Here on the surface of Earth, we have an atmosphere, CO2, water vapor, and methane. There is no weather stations anywhere on Earth that has measured a temperature anywhere close to this. If CO2 warms the Earth, why is Earth so much COLDER? Why the paradox?

Describe the 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics (actual science) or the Stefan-Boltzmann law (actual science).

For reference:
1st law of thermodynamics: E(t)=E(t+1)+U
2nd law of thermodynamics: e(t+1)>-e(t)
Stefan-Boltzmann law: r=C*e*t^4

Wow, now we have Into the Night claiming that insulation is impossible, because of "thermodynamics". You would think that some scientist would have noticed his great breakthrough before him.

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Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.

Well you are just being a provocative arsehole, I am a lukewarmer. I believe that the most likely value for ECS is around 0.5-1.5c and somewhere between RCP2.6 and RCP4.5 is the most likely representative concentration pathway. I also fervently hope that when Trump is re-elected he revives the Presidential Committee on Climate Security chaired by Will Happer.

If you really want to know what is going then I recommend that you read this excellent lecture by Prof. Richard Lindzen, it truly sums up the whole situation admirably.

I especially like his description of the popular narrative we hear from the media and politicians incessantly:

Now here is the currently popular narrative concerning this system. The climate, a complex multi-factor system, can be summarised in just one variable, the globally averaged temperature change, and is primarily controlled by the 1-2% perturbation in the energy budget due to a single variable – carbon dioxide – among many variables of comparable importance.

This is an extraordinary pair of claims based on reasoning that borders on magical thinking. It is, however, the narrative that has been widely accepted, even among many sceptics.

He then goes on to describe how he believes the popular narrative originated and debunks the tenuous evidence we are constantly reminded supports the catastrophic narrative.

I would ask you to read the entire lecture, I believe it supports his concluding summary of the situation:

An implausible conjecture backed by false evidence and repeated incessantly has become politically correct ‘knowledge,’ and is used to promote the overturn of industrial civilization.

https://www.thegwpf.org/richard-lind...-two-cultures/

[Into the Night]

Wow, now we have Into the Night claiming that insulation is impossible, because of "thermodynamics". You would think that some scientist would have noticed his great breakthrough before him.

Never made any such claim, dumbass.

[Walt]

I am a lukewarmer. I believe that the most likely value for ECS is around 0.5-1.5c and somewhere between RCP2.6 and RCP4.5 is the most likely representative concentration pathway.

Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.

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Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.

I think it very likely to be honest, maybe if you read this recent Nature paper you might well agree with me?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...13#post3465813

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No argumentation presented.

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I think it very likely to be honest, maybe if you read this recent Nature paper you might well agree with me?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...13#post3465813

No response, can't say I am surprised.

[Into the Night]

Absolutely none of them say, "CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere." That is 100% you, and you alone.

You don't get to speak for all scientists. You can only speak for yourself.

Science isn't scientists.

Describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

[Into the Night]

Now Havana Moon might be right. It is unlikely, but possible.

Truth Detector and Into the Night are beyond hope. There is no chance they are right. Truth Detector thinks all scientists are wrong about carbon dioxide being a greenhouse gas, and Into the Night thinks that insulation is impossible. They obviously have little education, so think they can outsmart all scientists.

So you deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
Why do you deny science?

[PoliTalker]

We must organize all of humanity toward the challenge which faces us.

We cannot abide leaders who refuse to recognize the problem.

[Casual Leftist]

We'd have to get rid of the GOP and half of the Democrats. No small task.

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Wow, are you sure she's only seventeen?

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Wow, are you sure she's only seventeen?

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Nobody ever mentions religions like Catholicism and Islam which insist that having as many children as possible is their religious obligation.

[Jerome]

I R O N Y!!!! CO2 doesn't do much of anything in the atmosphere. It only amounts to .0314% of the molecules that make up air.

Below is the composition of air in percent by volume, at sea level at 15 C and 101325 Pa.

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace

29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 1% of that area. Of the remaining 28% about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas. There may be other areas with a human footprint of some kind.

The notion that man is causing the planet to heat up based on CO2 that amounts to less than 1% of the gas in oxygen can only be believed by morons.

Lol, you're a fucking joke. I already explained to you how this is fucking debunked.

Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon DO NOT ABSORB HEAT FROM THE SUN. CO2 does.

This is 6th-grade science, you unbelievable turd.