Evolution vs Creationism---Is there a God? Or is it all just random chance?

[Iron-Merc]

I'm definitely a creationist at heart. I believe that God is real, Jesus is the son of God. Humans are chained to a lie because that is the desire of our enemy. Satan has made his kingdom here on earth and has great influence over the human race. As evidenced in the garden of Eden, he caused the fall of humanity, the turn away from God and this is how "death" entered into our vocabulary.

In reference to evolution, its still just a theory. For one there are no transition forms in the fossil record. For another 99% of all mutations are bad. Evolution is a mathematical impossibility when you sit down and look at the odds.

For example, if evolution were true, what is the deal with all the fraudulent fossils? Surely there would be no need to "fake" the missing links between species, yet this seems to be a re-occurring theme that evolutionists cannot escape from.

Please share you views on this, I am eager to gain in insight and knowledge and that is exactly what this thread is about. I don't want this to turn into a political pissing match. Let's not mock or demean, simply list your argument and your evidence and debate your points as you see fit.

Good luck and God speed!

[PostmodernProphet]

shit just happens is a silly scientific theory......

[StoneByStone]

shit just happens is a silly scientific theory......

It's also not a scientific theory. It's a #strawman.

[PostmodernProphet]

It's also not a scientific theory. It's a #strawman.

????.....you say evolution is a strawman?.....

[StoneByStone]

????.....you say evolution is a strawman?.....

The theory of evolution isn't about things just randomly happening. This argument is only made by people ignorant to how evolution works.

[PostmodernProphet]

The theory of evolution isn't about things just randomly happening. This argument is only made by people ignorant to how evolution works.

sorry dude......if you don't realize that evolution depends on random shit happening randomly, then YOU don't understand how evolution works.......

[Into the Night]

shit just happens is a silly scientific theory......

Not a scientific theory at all, obviously.

[Mott the Hoople]

I'm definitely a creationist at heart. I believe that God is real, Jesus is the son of God. Humans are chained to a lie because that is the desire of our enemy. Satan has made his kingdom here on earth and has great influence over the human race. As evidenced in the garden of Eden, he caused the fall of humanity, the turn away from God and this is how "death" entered into our vocabulary.

In reference to evolution, its still just a theory. For one there are no transition forms in the fossil record. For another 99% of all mutations are bad. Evolution is a mathematical impossibility when you sit down and look at the odds.

For example, if evolution were true, what is the deal with all the fraudulent fossils? Surely there would be no need to "fake" the missing links between species, yet this seems to be a re-occurring theme that evolutionists cannot escape from.

Please share you views on this, I am eager to gain in insight and knowledge and that is exactly what this thread is about. I don't want this to turn into a political pissing match. Let's not mock or demean, simply list your argument and your evidence and debate your points as you see fit.

Good luck and God speed!

So this is a philosophical discussion and not a scientific one? The reason I ask that is your use of the term theory in the colloquial sense and not the scientific one as there is no such thing as “just a theory” in science.

If the discussion is a philosophical one, and I have no problem with that, then I would ask why create a false dichotomy? One can believe in both and not be contradictory to each other.

Now if you’re trying to conflate creationism with science well there’s not much room for discussion there. You’re just simply wrong. Creationism by definition is not nor can it be considered science.

Now philosophically that doesn’t necessarily mean creationism is wrong. It just isn’t science.

[Iron-Merc]

So this is a philosophical discussion and not a scientific one? The reason I ask that is your use of the term theory in the colloquial sense and not the scientific one as there is no such thing as “just a theory” in science.

If the discussion is a philosophical one, and I have no problem with that, then I would ask why create a false dichotomy? One can believe in both and not be contradictory to each other.

Now if you’re trying to conflate creationism with science well there’s not much room for discussion there. You’re just simply wrong. Creationism by definition is not nor can it be considered science.

Now philosophically that doesn’t necessarily mean creationism is wrong. It just isn’t science.

It's both. You can put forth whichever type of argument suits you.

[Mott the Hoople]

It's both. You can put forth whichever type of argument suits you.

Fair enough and simple enough. Scientifically you’re simply wrong as I have previously shown.

[domer76]

So this is a philosophical discussion and not a scientific one? The reason I ask that is your use of the term theory in the colloquial sense and not the scientific one as there is no such thing as “just a theory” in science.

If the discussion is a philosophical one, and I have no problem with that, then I would ask why create a false dichotomy? One can believe in both and not be contradictory to each other.

Now if you’re trying to conflate creationism with science well there’s not much room for discussion there. You’re just simply wrong. Creationism by definition is not nor can it be considered science.

Now philosophically that doesn’t necessarily mean creationism is wrong. It just isn’t science.

Well put, MtH

[PostmodernProphet]

Now philosophically that doesn’t necessarily mean creationism is wrong. It just isn’t science.

the same is true for the fantasies some attribute to "evolution"......

[Adolf_Twitler]

I can already tell you a fact- People do things for only one of two reasons.

Everything we do in life comes down to- We either do it to gain pleasure from it- Or- We do it to prevent some kind of pain.

Sorry, but that is about as advanced as the human mind can be in terms of motivation to do or believe in something.

So let me ask you about yourselves- Are you Religious because Religion gives you some kind of pleasure- Or are you religious because you are trying to prevent some kind of pain?

To be fair to those who are non-believers, I'll ask you the same question- Are you a non-believer because it brings you some kind of pleasure- Or do you disbelieve in religion to try and prevent some kind of pain?

Just answer it for yourself- AND DON'T ALLOW ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK FOR YOU OR TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK!

WHAT A CONCEPT! GOING THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT ALLOWING OTHERS- THAT HAVE NO PROOF- ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BOUT A GOD- TO TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK!

THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE- and what does what you think have to do with what anyone else thinks?

[Eagle_Eye]

I can already tell you a fact- People do things for only one of two reasons.

Everything we do in life comes down to- We either do it to gain pleasure from it- Or- We do it to prevent some kind of pain.

Sorry, but that is about as advanced as the human mind can be in terms of motivation to do or believe in something.

So let me ask you about yourselves- Are you Religious because Religion gives you some kind of pleasure- Or are you religious because you are trying to prevent some kind of pain?

To be fair to those who are non-believers, I'll ask you the same question- Are you a non-believer because it brings you some kind of pleasure- Or do you disbelieve in religion to try and prevent some kind of pain?

Just answer it for yourself- AND DON'T ALLOW ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK FOR YOU OR TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK!

WHAT A CONCEPT! GOING THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT ALLOWING OTHERS- THAT HAVE NO PROOF- ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BOUT A GOD- TO TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK!

THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE- and what does what you think have to do with what anyone else thinks?

Good point. I believe you already know the reason Christians believe.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I can already tell you a fact- People do things for only one of two reasons.

I disagree, but will answer your other question. Good post, btw.

To be fair to those who are non-believers, I'll ask you the same question- Are you a non-believer because it brings you some kind of pleasure- Or do you disbelieve in religion to try and prevent some kind of pain?

I disbelieve in the mainstream religions because they hold no meaning for me. To me they are empty and do nothing to enlighten me and my connection to this place we share. I've seen that many derive comfort from their faith(s), especially when going through hard times. I've seen ppl inspired by their faith(s) to do great deeds. Have also seen the opposite.