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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The gospel of Luke and Acts is practically the world's first Communist manifesto.
    No it's not.

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    The Jesus of Luke counsels rich people to share everything they have with the poor,
    No he didn't. Nowhere in the book of Luke did Jesus teach such a thing.

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    and the first Christians in Judea lived in communes where all property and wealth was shared.
    I don't know how the first Christians in Judea lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You are right, and that is why I said Luke/Acts was practically a communist manifesto, not literally one.

    Communist political theory did not exist in the first century CE. But the concept that rich people need to share their property and wealth with the poor, and that property and wealth should be shared collectively by communities of people have been with us for 2000 years. And in my opinion, that concept of inclusion of the poor and oppressed is Christianity's greatest contribution to the Western philosophical tradition
    Well yes...the golden rule. Though I'm not sure that this is comparable to governments controlling the means to production as a form of wealth redistribution as a biblical analogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    he also didn't propose that government heal everyone in the country or feed them for free....
    Jesus never ran for Office, but he did tell the rich people in Matthew that they should give away their possessions, and that it's easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than get into heaven. And he did tell the Jews to pay their taxes to an occupying army that literally crucified their people. So I think it's pretty obvious that if you wanted a people and their government to reflect Christian values they should help the poor. Are you a Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    No he didn't. Nowhere in the book of Luke did Jesus teach such a thing.
    Quote: When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” - Luke 18:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well yes...the golden rule. Though I'm not sure that this is comparable to governments controlling the means to production as a form of wealth redistribution as a biblical analogy.
    Then there is the anachronism that there is a clear distinction, a bright dividing line, between government and religion. That is also a modern age conceit. Ancient Judea and Israel were theocracies as were many ancient civilizations.

    I agree that any literal analogy between Marxist theory and the Gospel of Luke/Acts is fraught with peril, which is why I tried to qualify my analogy as imperfect, but perhaps should have done a5 better job doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Leftist View Post
    Jesus didn't charge a dime to heal the sick or feed the poor.
    He also had no overhead costs to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well that’s fine and no one should criticize you for your belief but it isn’t science.
    I never said the afterlife had anything to do with science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    He also had no overhead costs to worry about.
    If Jesus had access to the Trillions of dollars hidden away in offshore banks, what do you think he'd do? Do you think he'd worry about overhead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Leftist View Post
    Quote: When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” - Luke 18:22
    He was saying that to his disciples and not to the rich.

    Why do you find it necessary to lie and misrepresent, just to try and make a point??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Leftist View Post
    If Jesus had access to the Trillions of dollars hidden away in offshore banks, what do you think he'd do? Do you think he'd worry about overhead?
    But he didn't and doesn't, so your attempt to correlate this is a failure.

    Why do you have a computer?
    Why haven't you sold it and your belongings and handed the proceeds over to the poor?
    Why haven't you sold your house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the current American Mega church system is not very concerned with what Jesus would have done
    The important thing is...do you do what Jesus would have done? We know he didn't talk like you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    He was saying that to his disciples and not to the rich.

    Why do you find it necessary to lie and misrepresent, just to try and make a point??
    What? That wasn't a disciple, that was a rich man, a ruler, asking how to be more Christ like in front of others. The rich man says I have followed all the rules but how do I guarantee I get into heaven?

    It is you that is lying about the contents. Read for yourself Luke 18:18-29 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...18&version=NIV

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    The important thing is...do you do what Jesus would have done? We know he didn't talk like you...
    and you hate the poor and LOVE cruel humans


    Jesus's Philosophy of love went right over your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Leftist View Post
    What? That wasn't a disciple, that was a rich man, a ruler, asking how to be more Christ like in front of others. The rich man says I have followed all the rules but how do I guarantee I get into heaven?

    It is you that is lying about the contents. Read for yourself Luke 18:18-29 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...18&version=NIV
    Bullshit.

    Go back and read LUKE 18; because it states he was telling his disciples a PARABLE.

    Luke 18:1

    Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart,
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