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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Would you say that a party with blind loyalty to a president who tries to rig elections is not Fascist?

    Could we at least agree that if the Republicans had full control of congress, we would no longer have elections?
    He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

    If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

    If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?
    You mean when they showed that bias by working closely with Russians and Trumpies to infest the election? we are still trying to get Facebook and Google from allowing Russian hackers to have access to America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

    If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?
    He tried to rig the 2020 election, he just got caught. He also had a "secret meeting" with Russia after accepting their offer of help, but before they interfered in the 2016 election. So that's just a bit suspicious.

    First of all, that's just not true. Conservatives break the terms of use agreements a lot more, especially on YouTube, then bitch about some imaginary "liberal bias."
    Secondly, even if Google did have a bias, it's a private company. They can use their money to influence an election if they want just like any other American citizen. Trump tried bribing a foreign government with American money to interfere in our election. Completely different situation.

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    I am a New Englander like Suzy Collins.

    She can't get re-elected without the support of her women constituents.

    She voted for the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh.

    Thus, she's forfeited the support of her women constituents.

    They've been quite vocal about that.

    Whatever political capital she gained from voting against Betsy DeVos and forcing the hypocrite Jesus freak Mike Pence out of hibernation is long gone and hard to find.

    Suzy's new name in New England is Dead Bitch Walking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You mean when they showed that bias by working closely with Russians and Trumpies to infest the election? we are still trying to get Facebook and Google from allowing Russian hackers to have access to America.
    You really think Google favors Trump? And as far as Zuckerberg goes, FB has censored a lot of conservatives.

    I get it though. You have to buy into collusion to make losing this year more palatable than admitting your party's shortcomings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    He tried to rig the 2020 election, he just got caught. He also had a "secret meeting" with Russia after accepting their offer of help, but before they interfered in the 2016 election. So that's just a bit suspicious.

    First of all, that's just not true. Conservatives break the terms of use agreements a lot more, especially on YouTube, then bitch about some imaginary "liberal bias."
    Secondly, even if Google did have a bias, it's a private company. They can use their money to influence an election if they want just like any other American citizen. Trump tried bribing a foreign government with American money to interfere in our election. Completely different situation.
    Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. Either way, if Trump wins again, blaming everyone else under the sun won't change the path that the Democrats have set for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. Either way, if Trump wins again, blaming everyone else under the sun won't change the path that the Democrats have set for themselves.
    I'm blaming the Democrats too. I think ridiculously sucking up to non-white voters with promises of reparations and decriminalizing illegal immigration has driven tons of people to Republican Fascism.
    But that doesn't mean Trump didn't try to rig the election with his Ukrainian bribe attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I'm blaming the Democrats too. I think ridiculously sucking up to non-white voters with promises of reparations and decriminalizing illegal immigration has driven tons of people to Republican Fascism.
    But that doesn't mean Trump didn't try to rig the election with his Ukrainian bribe attempt.
    Even if you buy the quid pro quo argument, how is that rigging an election? At worst, it would just sabotage Biden's campaign. The Democrats don't even look like they'll nominate Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    Even if you buy the quid pro quo argument, how is that rigging an election? At worst, it would just sabotage Biden's campaign. The Democrats don't even look like they'll nominate Biden.
    Using a phony investigation of a non-crime to kneecap a political opponent is rigging an election. If it's not rigging an election, it's at the very least, cheating in an election.

    Now if you like Trump, I can understand not caring. But if this becomes normalized, it's going to be ok for all future president, including liberal Democrats. This is why everyone should vote against Trump in the next election. We as Americans should collectively send the message that we do not accept cheating in American elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Using a phony investigation of a non-crime to kneecap a political opponent is rigging an election. If it's not rigging an election, it's at the very least, cheating in an election.

    Now if you like Trump, I can understand not caring. But if this becomes normalized, it's going to be ok for all future president, including liberal Democrats. This is why everyone should vote against Trump in the next election. We as Americans should collectively send the message that we do not accept cheating in American elections.
    So, the "opposition research" done by Clinton was cheating as well eh? How about the wiretapping by Obama against the Trump campaign?

    How about the abuse of the FISA hop policy that was used in the FBI's investigations of the campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    So, the "opposition research" done by Clinton was cheating as well eh?
    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/73234...e-not-the-same

    How about the wiretapping by Obama against the Trump campaign? How about the abuse of the FISA hop policy that was used in the FBI's investigations of the campaign?
    None of that was proven. This is another reason why Trump is so dangerous. Ever hear of Hitler's theory of the Big Lie? Trump does it constantly. And by lying like this so much, and with such enormous blatant lies, he's created a new culture in politics where truth doesn't matter. He's greatly lowered the bar on what is acceptable for politicians to get away with.

    Now again, if you like Trump, I understand you not caring. But what happens when AOC or Ilhan Omar start using this strategy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    So it's a difference in technicality. That shows how ridiculous the laws are.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    None of that was proven. This is another reason why Trump is so dangerous. Ever hear of Hitler's theory of the Big Lie? Trump does it constantly. And by lying like this so much, and with such enormous blatant lies, he's created a new culture in politics where truth doesn't matter. He's greatly lowered the bar on what is acceptable for politicians to get away with.

    Now again, if you like Trump, I understand you not caring. But what happens when AOC or Ilhan Omar start using this strategy?
    And again, the Russian collusion and quid pro quo aren't proven either. So, we're at a stalemate then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    So it's a difference in technicality. That shows how ridiculous the laws are.
    It's a pretty big difference. Hillary didn't have foreign governments putting out false information, which is what Trump did with Russia and tried to do with Ukraine.


    And again, the Russian collusion and quid pro quo aren't proven either. So, we're at a stalemate then.
    They were proven. Unlike Trump's conspiracy claims, which he just pulls out of his ass, there are mountains of evidence to prove his scandals actually happened. Again, this is the Big Lie at work. The Republicans are saying "No Quid Pro Quo" over and over, even after we've gotten the notes from the transcript, the admissions from the witnesses, and the confessions from the administration itself. Trump is telling us not to believe our lying eyes, and because truth doesn't mean anything anymore, people are going along with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    It's a pretty big difference. Hillary didn't have foreign governments putting out false information, which is what Trump did with Russia and tried to do with Ukraine.
    The Steele Dossier is pretty close to what you just described.


    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    They were proven. Unlike Trump's conspiracy claims, which he just pulls out of his ass, there are mountains of evidence to prove his scandals actually happened. Again, this is the Big Lie at work. The Republicans are saying "No Quid Pro Quo" over and over, even after we've gotten the notes from the transcript, the admissions from the witnesses, and the confessions from the administration itself. Trump is telling us not to believe our lying eyes, and because truth doesn't mean anything anymore, people are going along with this.
    So if it's true, then we don't need a trial, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    The Steele Dossier is pretty close to what you just described.
    That was about research. They didn't just make up false information. Hillary also did that as a private citizen, she didn't use the office of presidency to force a foreign government to stage a fake investigation.

    So if it's true, then we don't need a trial, eh?
    Yes, Trump should be removed now. As for putting him in jail, I think there should be a trial for that, since every American deserves a trial, even the traitors.

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