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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Black life expectancy is rising drastically in the USA as they improve their chooses. Whites are the ones with declining life expectancies. So Woko Haram is correct that blacks have shorter life expectancies, they are increasing. Whites have longer life expectancies, but are decreasing.

    But only some whites. Most whites also have rising life expectancies. There is a subsection of whites in America that have crashing life expectancies. It is so bad that even though they are a minority of Americans, they are bringing down the average for everyone. America has had three years of loss of average life expectancy. That is nearly unheard of. That is Syria level problems. Even North Korea could not mess up for three years straight.

    The whites losing life expectancy are most closely correlate to trump voters. It is almost like trump is another one of those poor life decisions.
    Lower life expectancies among whites is correlated typically with opioid drug abuse, not any specific voting habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    lol Sieg heil then.
    Hey, if you like the dictator we have, then sure, I can understand you supporting Fascism. But what if you don't like the next dictator? What if, instead of the Republicans eliminating elections, AOC gets elected president? Will you be ok with President AOC rigging elections so that she gets reelected?

    See, that's what we're doing by reelecting Trump. We're helping to normalize what he did for future presidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    In the case of Islam, it does call for violence. It's just that most followers of it don't interpret it as literally as Al Quida and ISIS. I guess we're lucky that they don't.

    "Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle"

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    Good morning The vast majority of America is not depressed, you know...
    Just swing clear of this place for a couple of hours...you'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Good morning The vast majority of America is not depressed, you know...
    Just swing clear of this place for a couple of hours...you'll see
    Indeed, the gloom and doom radicals don't want to admit that this Trump booming economy is lifting all boats.

    Just wait til President Trump is exonerated in the Senate and reelected.

    Bring on the tissues and hot chocolate and safe rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Indeed, the gloom and doom radicals don't want to admit that this Trump booming economy is lifting all boats.

    Just wait til President Trump is exonerated in the Senate and reelected.

    Bring on the tissues and hot chocolate and safe rooms.

    Top of the morning, TOP.
    Indeed....same to you, but hope it's warmer in GA...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    Lower life expectancies among whites is correlated typically with opioid drug abuse, not any specific voting habits.
    That's true; the opioid epidemic has skewed life U.S. expectancy numbers for the last 4-5 years. That being said, poor health habits -- smoking, vaping, drinking, poor diet, lack of exercise, obesity -- are dragging us down as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Hey, if you like the dictator we have, then sure, I can understand you supporting Fascism. But what if you don't like the next dictator? What if, instead of the Republicans eliminating elections, AOC gets elected president? Will you be ok with President AOC rigging elections so that she gets reelected?

    See, that's what we're doing by reelecting Trump. We're helping to normalize what he did for future presidents.
    The odds of AOC getting elected are pretty low, but sure, Warren could possibly win. Maybe Warren would try to be authoritarian about certain things. It would be a bad situation, but I think our checks and balances are pretty strong. Nothing Trump has done makes me think that any president could actually "rig" an election.

    Now, plenty of media corporations will certainly try to slant public perceptions in extreme directions, but that's one of the burdens of a free press. Freedom of the press means that, if the biases of media mostly tilt one way, then that can affect elections to an extent. Media bias is something that I have a lot more concern about, because it results in people believing false narratives. Granted, there's only so much that can be done about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    The odds of AOC getting elected are pretty low, but sure, Warren could possibly win. Maybe Warren would try to be authoritarian about certain things. It would be a bad situation, but I think our checks and balances are pretty strong. Nothing Trump has done makes me think that any president could actually "rig" an election.
    But a president could cheat in an election. And now, if Trump gets away with this, presidents will be able to cheat more blatantly. Warren could bribe multiple countries to help her and when she gets caught, well hey, Trump did it too. As Mulvaney would say, "get over it."
    And this is moving the Overton Window in a direction where rigging elections the way the Soviets did would be acceptable.

    Now, plenty of media corporations will certainly try to slant public perceptions in extreme directions, but that's one of the burdens of a free press. Freedom of the press means that, if the biases of media mostly tilt one way, then that can affect elections to an extent. Media bias is something that I have a lot more concern about, because it results in people believing false narratives. Granted, there's only so much that can be done about that.
    I feel the same way about media bias and I think it should be illegal for a program that presents itself as news to lie. Other than that, there isn't much we can do, since if we have a free press, we can't force stations to be unbiased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But a president could cheat in an election. And now, if Trump gets away with this, presidents will be able to cheat more blatantly. Warren could bribe multiple countries to help her and when she gets caught, well hey, Trump did it too. As Mulvaney would say, "get over it."
    And this is moving the Overton Window in a direction where rigging elections the way the Soviets did would be acceptable.
    That's assuming that it becomes proven that Trump engaged in a quid pro quo. It hasn't so far. Just because someone is under suspicion of something, it doesn't mean it was done. So, if it does become proven that he did this and he isn't punished, then yes, your argument is correct. Until then, the worst that could happen is that Warren would be under suspicion of doing something like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I feel the same way about media bias and I think it should be illegal for a program that presents itself as news to lie. Other than that, there isn't much we can do, since if we have a free press, we can't force stations to be unbiased.
    I agree. We do already have libel and slander laws that handle some of this, but they are necessarily limited in scope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    "Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle"
    That's from the Old Testament. Christians usually follow the New Testament more closely.

    By contrast, the Quran is more uniform in structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    Lower life expectancies among whites is correlated typically with opioid drug abuse, not any specific voting habits.
    And drug abuse can't possibly be related to policies which are and have been destroying opportunities? And this actually goes way back to Reagan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    And drug abuse can't possibly be related to policies which are and have been destroying opportunities? And this actually goes way back to Reagan.
    Drug abuse can be tied to many things. In the case of opioids, I would argue most of it is tied to overprescribing painkillers and such.

    Too much of our system is based on doping people up rather than addressing root causes. We see something similar with the welfare state and gun policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woko Haram View Post
    Lower life expectancies among whites is correlated typically with opioid drug abuse, not any specific voting habits.
    Opioid overdose deaths are twice as high among whites as they are among blacks. Whites are able to skew the arrest numbers towards blacks, but we are not able to change the death numbers. But it is not all whites. Educated whites, urban whites, whites in the upper class, etc. are having almost no problem.

    Opioids are hitting rural, uneducated whites, especially men, very hard. And who is most correlated with trump voters? Rural, uneducated whites, especially men.

    In fact, that was the best correlation with trump voters around, until someone looked at "worsening health outcomes". Literally, trump voters are the most sick among us.

    It is not just opioid abuse. There rates of diabetes is rising off the charts. They are committing suicide at incredible numbers. Everyone else is seeing dropping homicide rates, but not them.

    They are dying from even simple things. They are wearing their seatbelts at lower numbers. They are taking up smoking at greater numbers. 40 year old trump voters are starting smoking, which is unheard of in any other population of that age. It is almost like they want to die.

    Whatever this is, it has killed far more Americans than AIDS, and all in a much shorter time. This is so bad that it is lowering our overall life expectancy. It is an epic health disaster, that no one noticed. And somehow trump voting is correlated with it.

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