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    We are in an endless duration of constant change where the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy, matter and time are always present

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    is science a process for creating facts?
    Science is a process which gives rise to more likely hypotheses than any others, which are de facto 'facts' until other convincing hypotheses are raised. surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    is science a process for creating facts?
    No. It is not a process at all. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not any fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jeffrey Spetch View Post
    Sometimes. Other times it is just discovering what always was, such as the reaction noted when particles combine for example. You go right ahead and ask away Hat
    No. Science isn't facts. It isn't observations either. All observations are subject to the problems if phenomenology.

    Science is just a set of theories. Falsifiable theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Science is a process which gives rise to more likely hypotheses than any others, which are de facto 'facts' until other convincing hypotheses are raised. surely?
    No. Theories do not come out hypothesis. Hypothesis come out of theories. An example is the null hypothesis, used to test a theory of science. No theory is ever proven True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No. It is not a process at all. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not any fact.
    eh. im going with its a process, that does have to do with facts, sometimes.

    this whole thread seems retarded tho.

    why this need to separate facts from science. just seems gay and sets off my bullshit-dar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    eh. im going with its a process, that does have to do with facts, sometimes.

    this whole thread seems retarded tho.

    why this need to separate facts from science. just seems gay and sets off my bullshit-dar.
    People try to assume that theories of science are somehow proven True. No theory is ever proven True, not even a theory of science. They often use the word 'fact' as a proof (it's not) or as a Universal Truth (it's not). You will find they also tend they try to use data as a proof (it's not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Science is not a 'procedure' or a 'method'. It is not a formula. It is not an invention. It is not repetitious experiments. It is just a set of falsifiable theories.
    I disagree [for argument sake here]

    The use of the following term [I think] shows my idea.
    "They got it down to a science"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    "They got it down to a science"
    Baking Bread is a science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    I disagree [for argument sake here]

    The use of the following term [I think] shows my idea.
    "They got it down to a science"
    A misleading phrase. Science isn't a routine, or process, or a method. These concepts stem from Francis Bacon's philosophies about science. They are wrong.

    Science does not use supporting evidence at all. There is no set procedure to science. Science isn't a verb. It is a noun.

    Science is nothing more than a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Baking Bread is a science.
    No, baking bread is simply baking bread. No science here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Material energy exists in a flux of 3-modes (as per Vedanta):

    Maintenance, Creation, destruction
    [literally, Goodness, passion, ignorance. Sanskrit: Satva, Raja, Tamas]

    All matter and energy transition and transmutes ceaselessly through
    the "three modes" of material energy
    [similar to Chinese Ying/Yang duality principle...but extended to three]

    All the above is call "Manifest" energy.

    The "un-Manifest" energy [as per Vedanta] has three aspects,
    the "un-Manifest" energy is called "Sat-chit-ananda" [aka, eternal-conscious-blissful]

    When all varigated phenomena is erased,
    when all Space is erased,
    when all time is erased . . .

    A] there still exists the potential for "Three-Dimensions".

    B] there still exists the potential for "Locomotion"

    By my use of the appellation "Potential", I am saying that even in a situation devoid of matter & energy & time & Space . . . there is still Potential for "Three-Dimensions" along with "Locomotion" ---irregardless of who/what/how initiates creation or whether there is an absolute state that transcends material phenomena ---there exists as a pre-creation/substratum/pre-requisite meta-physical blank page that ALLOWS for even empty space to occupy itself before its creative play:

    "Three-Dimensions" along with "Locomotion" lay fallow until it is utilised ---yet interestingly, never are these "3-Dimensions" along with "Locomotion" actually a manifest; they don't manifest as entities unto them selves and yet they underlie all potential possibilities.

    You can't measure "Three-Dimensions" along with "Locomotion".
    You can't make them under your control ---they are a nuetral state that allows even the void to come and go as epochs pass into oblivion again and again.

    When all is erased there sits "Three-Dimensions" along with "Locomotion"; selflessly, or as the prime self?

    C] there still exists the potential for "onomatopoeia"
    [onomatopoeia = the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (such as buzz or hiss). Onomatopoeia may also refer to the use of words whose sound suggests the sense.
    from Gk. onomatopoiia "the making of a name or word" (in imitation of a sound associated with the thing being named), from onomatopoios, from onoma (gen. onomatos) "word, name" (see 'name') + a derivative of poiein "compose, make" (see 'poet').]

    According to the Vedas the soul is part and parcel of the "Supreme-Soul".
    The Grand surprise is the the "Supreme-Soul" is a Person ['Bhagavan' ('the possessor and source of all opulences')]. According to the Vedas the soul is a person. According to the Vedas the soul is active by nature ---so the buddhist sense of Nirvana as the "Goal of merging the soul into a state of non-being" is a myth borne of a lack of knowledge that the "nature of the soul(s)", of all living entities, is "Persona".

    The life-force in all animate bodies is the precence of a "Soul", and that soul is striving birth-after-birth seeking the supreme soul ---this is the mystery of life.
    The fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter hence where even a so called soul, like anything else that exists comes from ~ an endless duration of constant change. So in other words you have no example of scientific fact and shared that irrelevant drivel for what purpose?!

    We are in an endless duration of constant change where the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy, matter and time are always present

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Science is a process which gives rise to more likely hypotheses than any others, which are de facto 'facts' until other convincing hypotheses are raised. surely?
    Hypothesis are not facts, they might lead to recognition of fact or falsification of hypothesis but are not facts.
    We are in an endless duration of constant change where the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy, matter and time are always present

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No. It is not a process at all. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not any fact.
    The process of science verifies or falsifies theory as fact.
    We are in an endless duration of constant change where the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy, matter and time are always present

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No. Science isn't facts. It isn't observations either. All observations are subject to the problems if phenomenology.

    Science is just a set of theories. Falsifiable theories.
    I don't even know why I take the time with you, you are deliberately retarded and I'm not a big fan of answering for others deliberate ignorance. The process of science is what leads to verification or falsification slow poke.

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    We are in an endless duration of constant change where the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy, matter and time are always present

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