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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It does not have to be a criminal act. Look at the impeachment articles for Andrew Johnson--they included:

    "make and declare, with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby, amid the cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing..."

    "Which said utterances, declarations, threats and harangues, highly censurable in any, are peculiarly indecent and unbecoming in the Chief Magistrate of the United States, by means whereof the said Andrew Johnson has brought the high office of the President of the United States into contempt, ridicule and disgrace, to the great scandal of all good citizens, whereby said Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, did commit, and was then and there guilty of a high misdemeanor in office."
    Well now, *that* ought to clap shut the mouths of our more enthusiastic TRE45ON followers. Assuming they can read it, of course. They should consider themselves lucky that their assclown was only impeached for obstruction and abuse of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Well now, *that* ought to clap shut the mouths of our more enthusiastic TRE45ON followers. Assuming they can read it, of course. They should consider themselves lucky that their assclown was only impeached for obstruction and abuse of power.
    But it is irrelevant. Few Republican senators will vote to convict and a few Democrats will vote to acquit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But it is irrelevant. Few Republican senators will vote to convict and a few Democrats will vote to acquit.
    Yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly W View Post
    Stepford followers
    Bi-polar liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    There's this thing called "reality". You should look into it someday.
    I know what 'reality' means. Do you? Buzzword fallacy.
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    It's based on another thing you should look into someday, called "common sense".
    Define 'common sense'. Remember, you don't to speak for anyone else. You only get to speak for you.
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    Two things you apparently have no familiarity with, Fallacy Boy.
    Inversion fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    ...deleted Holy Link...
    What crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Had you bothered to read the Articles of Impeachment you would have all your answers. Please don't say you read them, cause you are full of shit if you do.
    Nothing listed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Well now, *that* ought to clap shut the mouths of our more enthusiastic TRE45ON followers. Assuming they can read it, of course. They should consider themselves lucky that their assclown was only impeached for obstruction and abuse of power.
    Define 'obstruction of justice'. Define 'abuse of power'. These are not crimes. They are meaningless buzzwords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It does not have to be a criminal act. Look at the impeachment articles for Andrew Johnson--they included:
    Yes it does. See Article II, $4 of the Constitution of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    "If you are innocent then......."


    Famous last words spoken by EVERY totalitarian in history. The people that utter it are no less dictatorial than that they accuse President Trump of

    There is supposed to be a presumption of innocence in this country. That basic tenet applies whether you are a brick layer or the President of the United States. You don't leave your civil liberties at the doorstep for Congress to trample just because you decided to run for President.

    Try different arguments. If what Trump did was so illegal and so obvious, you wouldn't need him to help you convict him.
    Nixon released the papers. Clinton testified under oath. I am sure you were happy as hell about Bill. Trump not only refused to testify, after saying he would be happy to, he told everybody he knew to not respond to subpoenas and court orders and do not provide paperwork.
    Can you understand the difference? To most people it is blatant and scary.
    Trump is blocking the evidence. He does not have that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Nixon released the papers. Clinton testified under oath. I am sure you were happy as hell about Bill. Trump not only refused to testify, after saying he would be happy to, he told everybody he knew to not respond to subpoenas and court orders and do not provide paperwork.
    Can you understand the difference? To most people it is blatant and scary.
    Trump is blocking the evidence. He does not have that right.
    No one is required to prove their innocence.

    INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterWilson View Post
    Why Doesn't he Release the Documents and Allow Witnesses to Testify Under Oath?

    Donald Supporters,
    Can you help me out with something? I was wondering if you could explain to me why Donald and his staff steadfastly refused to release any and all relevant documents and refused to allow key witnesses to testify at Donald's impeachment hearings in the House and will now do the same for the Senate trial.
    Isn't that kind of strange, considering, as we all know, how incredibly and amazingly innocent he is and how perfect his shake-down--as some would call it-- call to the Ukrainian leader was? Well, that's a strange sort of innocent, if you ask me. Shouldn't Donald, if he is incredibly and amazingly innocent and has done nothing wrong, want to prove his innocence by allowing complete transparency? Yet it's the furthest thing from transparency that could be imagined. Isn't that odd?
    And isn't it peculiar that Moscow Mitch (as some cynical liberal-bastard critics might call him) has already said that an innocent verdict in the Senate is a foregone conclusion and that, by the way, he's working closely with the White House to coordinate a common defense strategy? And this despite that Mitch swore an oath to defend the Constitution and to be an impartial juror?
    Well, that strikes me as strange. Really, really strange. How about you?
    No Walter I don't think it is strange at all. He released the phone call record and that would have ended any reasonable concern. Fuck the dim wit Democrat party of slavery, kkk, and jim crow... burp...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Yes it does. See Article II, $4 of the Constitution of the United States.
    That doesn't support your assertion. Flourescent Green Dildo Fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Yes it does. See Article II, $4 of the Constitution of the United States.
    I know what the Constitution says, but "high crimes and (high) misdemeanors" is not meant to include only behavior which is against criminal statutes.

    In Federalist #65 Hamilton tells us the framer's thoughts on impeachment.

    "The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    That doesn't support your assertion. Flourescent Green Dildo Fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States
    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
    A crime is needed, dumbass. No crime is listed in any article of impeachment.

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