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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That's what conservatives were saying in the 1930s, in the face of Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler.

    There was at least one leader who wanted to defend liberal democracy - FDR.

    It would be unethical and maybe even illegal for us to meddle in the elections of Russia, or any country. But one thing that Jimmy Carter knew, and which Republicans don't. America's strength is measured by our moral authority. A lot of people around the world, traditionally, looked to American to advocate for human rights, democracy, and freedom. Jimmy Carter's support of Soviet dissidents and human rights made more of a difference to people in Russia than most wingnuts realize. I do not think there is ever a bad time to advocate for free and fair elections, democracy, a free press, and freedom of religion.
    Carters foreign policy was a disaster. "Human rights" is a ridiculous metric -why don't we cite the same metric
    with our dealings with China?

    Realpolitik is how the world works, whether it's Turkey sending troops to Libya, or buying S-400
    we tolerate it because NATO memebrship is more important

    making foreign policy by human rights is a fools game -inconsistent -and not necessarily in our national interests

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    YES AMERICAN IS CONCERNED WITH DICTATORS WE WANT DEMOCRACY TO SPREAD DICK NOSE
    neocon noise that brought us failed states in Libya and Iraq

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    We love Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and the Russian people.

    Why do the far left loons hate Russia...so much hate.

    As to the 1930’s, those were heady times for the left, the Russians called them “useful idiots” and they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Don’t ever try to learn The Russian language.

    It’s impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    neocon noise that brought us failed states in Libya and Iraq
    republicans

    LYING CHEATING REPUBLICANS


    you have not changed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    We love Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and the Russian people.

    Why do the far left loons hate Russia...so much hate.

    As to the 1930’s, those were heady times for the left, the Russians called them “useful idiots” and they were.
    PUTIN ISN'T RUSSIA


    TRUMP ISN'T AMERICA

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Great videos...proving that learning Russian is impossible.

    I gave up at the end of the first day and I had help from Elena ...at the VOR. Her English was almost flawless proving that English is easy to learn and Russian is impossible to learn.

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    Putin is the leader of the Russian Federation.

    President Trump is the leader of the US. Both are very strong leaders.

    See how easy that was,

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its sitting in a port burning up


    Russia doesn't really have much of a military anymore


    they don't have the money

    But Bots are nearly costless



    and the republican party is allowing them to destroy America with bot holes that spread lies
    Putin pisses a circle around you want to be traitors and you are sooo stupid you cant figure out how to step out of that piss circle

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Putin pisses a circle around you want to be traitors and you are sooo stupid you cant figure out how to step out of that piss circle
    She'd go even more mental, if that's even possible, if she came here the place is crawling with Russians, it's the new Black Sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    She'd go even more mental, if that's even possible, if she came here the place is crawling with Russians, it's the new Black Sea.
    Not possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Carters foreign policy was a disaster. "Human rights" is a ridiculous metric -why don't we cite the same metric
    with our dealings with China?
    Jimmy Carter's role in winning the Cold War

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...69#post3023169
    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Realpolitik is how the world works, whether it's Turkey sending troops to Libya, or buying S-400
    we tolerate it because NATO memebrship is more important

    making foreign policy by human rights is a fools game -inconsistent -and not necessarily in our national interests
    Baloney. America's reputation, at its best, was for justice, democracy, and liberty. We did not always measure up to our own words and standards, but that framework played no small role in propelling America to a leadership in the world. And it was our moral authority, as much as it was tanks and aircraft, that undermined fascism, imperialism, communism, apartheid, and more.

    It costs us nothing to strenuously advocate on behalf of democracy, freedom of the press, and human rights. The Soviet Union may not have liked it, but they were not going to go to war on behalf of our advocacy of Soviet dissidents. And more importantly, is was the soft power we gained by enhancing our reputation and moral superiority to totalitarianism and authoritariansim which assisted us to win WW2 and the Cold War.

    On the flip side, we should be prepared to accept legitimate criticism from Russia. It goes both ways. They certainly have legitimate things to say about what they view as the moral depravity of western culture and of unrestrained capitalism. As a culture steeped in tradition and conservative orthodoxy, I believe we could hear out their legitimate grievances without feeling like we have to go to war with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Baloney. America's reputation, at its best, was for justice, democracy, and liberty. We did not always measure up to our own words and standards, but that framework played no small role in propelling America to a leadership in the world. And it was our moral authority, as much as it was tanks and aircraft, that undermined fascism, imperialism, communism, apartheid, and more.
    our moral authority gets us nowhere -try using that against China - a much more serious violator of human rights then Russia
    China is running INTERMENT CAMPS FOR MILLIONS OF Muslim Uighers
    Xinjiang re-education camps. The Xinjiang re-education camps, officially called Vocational Education and Training Centers by the government of the People's Republic of China, are camps that have been operated by the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Regional government for the purpose of interning Uyghur Muslims since 2014.
    so where is all this human right posturing for China? It doesn't exit because we understand US/China relations are much more important then even interment camps ( realpolitik)

    It costs us nothing to strenuously advocate on behalf of democracy, freedom of the press, and human rights. The Soviet Union may not have liked it, but they were not going to go to war on behalf of our advocacy of Soviet dissidents. And more importantly, is was the soft power we gained by enhancing our reputation and morally superior to totalitarianism and authoritariansim which assisted us to win WW2 and the Cold War.
    it's fine to advocate human rights, the problems come when that metric drives foreign policy.
    It's artificial and does not accurately reflect what are our interests
    On the flip side, we should be prepared to accept legitimate criticism from Russia. It goes both ways. They certainly have legitimate things to say about what they view as the moral depravity of western culture and of unrestrained capitalism. As a culture steeped in tradition and conservative orthodoxy, I believe we could hear out their legitimate grievances without feeling like we have to go to war with them.
    more important is getting along with them in terms of no NATO expansion and US militarism in Ukraine

    And don't forget the "China card" which we threw away that served us for 40 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    because hes a russian plant asshole


    if you love trump you HATE America
    They do hate America. There has always been a faction here that were either loyalists to the throne and preferred being the serfs in a country of serfs and lords and others that preferred being part of the Confederacy. They all hate democracy as it is too complicated and scary to them. They need authoritarian daddies.
    BLUEXIT
    A Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red

    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Russia means democrat party never has to take responsibility for losing elections ever again

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