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    Default Trump ORDERED the MILITARY to move Seoul, "why was it so close to N Korea?"

    So the generals give Trump a briefing TRYING to get him to realize the gravity of N. Korea's aggression and BUILD UP of "rocketry" and the SHORT DISTANCE to Seoul SK where so many US personnel work and reside. You know like the US ARMY.

    He wanted to know WHY Seoul was so close to NK, Trump told them to MOVE SEOUL. Not the troops. Seoul.


    Friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry.

    Trump called for Seoul evacuation at height of North Korea tensions, new book says

    President’s diktat was ignored by his top officials, Peter Bergen writes in Trump and his Generals: The Cost of Chaos

    Julian Borger in Washington The Guardian
    Mon 9 Dec 2019 21.25 EST

    Donald Trump called for the population of Seoul to be moved during an Oval Office meeting when tensions between the US and North Korea were at their height, according to a new book about the president’s relations with the US military.

    The Cost of Chaos, the national security and counter-terrorism expert Peter Bergen also gives new details of Trump’s demands that the families of US service members in South Korea be evacuated, which the North Korean regime would have interpreted as a clear move towards war. In both cases, Trump’s impetuous diktats were ignored by his top officials.

    Bergen’s book, the latest in a string of accounts of the president’s erratic leadership on national security issues, is being published on Tuesday at a time when friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry. The North Korean leadership is threatening a resumption of missile tests, and a war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un is simmering once more.

    North Korea insults Trump as 'heedless and erratic old man' as tension rises
    Trump has resurrected his nickname for Kim, “Rocket Man”. North Korea conducted a missile engine test at a site that it had previously mothballed, and on Monday a senior regime official called the US president a “heedless and erratic old man”.

    The level of mutual hostility is still some way off from the worst period in 2017 when a conflict looked a real possibility.

    In his book, Bergen – a vice-president of the New America thinktank – describes an Oval Office meeting on North Korea in mid-April 2017, after a string of North Korean missile tests. Trump’s top national security officials were present and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency had made a model of a secret North Korean facility the size of coffee table, to illustrate the regime’s covert programmes.

    According to Bergen, Trump was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula at night, showing the lights of China and South Korea and the blackness of North Korea in between. Trump initially mistook the void for an ocean. When he was shown the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?”

    Trump reportedly asked why Seoul, the capital of South Korea, was so close to the North Korean border. Photograph: Alamy
    Trump had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million.

    They have to move,” Trump said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But Trump then repeated the line. “They have to move!

    No action was taken in response to Trump’s bizarre remark, but the situation grew steadily worse, with a series of North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile tests and a hydrogen bomb test in September 2017.

    After watching a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, interviewed on Fox News in late January 2018, saying that US troops deployed to South Korea should not take their families with them, Bergen reports that Trump told his national security team: “I want an evacuation of American civilians from South Korea.”

    A senior official warned that such an evacuation would be interpreted as a signal that the US was ready to go to war, and would crash the South Korean stock market, but Trump is reported to have ignored the warning, telling his team: “Go do it!”

    Alarmed Pentagon officials ignored the order, and – according to Bergen – Trump eventually dropped the idea. It was one of a number of occasions that the defense secretary at the time, James Mattis, ignored direction from the White House. He also refused to send defense department officials to a planned Korea war game at Camp David in the autumn of 2017, or to provide military options for intercepting North Korean ships suspected of sanctions busting.

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    Incidentally, Seoul is what 3 TIMES the population of NYC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So the generals give Trump a briefing TRYING to get him to realize the gravity of N. Korea's aggression and BUILD UP of "rocketry" and the SHORT DISTANCE to Seoul SK where so many US personnel work and reside. You know like the US ARMY.

    He wanted to know WHY Seoul was so close to NK, Trump told them to MOVE SEOUL. Not the troops. Seoul.


    Friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry.

    Trump called for Seoul evacuation at height of North Korea tensions, new book says

    President’s diktat was ignored by his top officials, Peter Bergen writes in Trump and his Generals: The Cost of Chaos

    Julian Borger in Washington The Guardian
    Mon 9 Dec 2019 21.25 EST

    Donald Trump called for the population of Seoul to be moved during an Oval Office meeting when tensions between the US and North Korea were at their height, according to a new book about the president’s relations with the US military.

    The Cost of Chaos, the national security and counter-terrorism expert Peter Bergen also gives new details of Trump’s demands that the families of US service members in South Korea be evacuated, which the North Korean regime would have interpreted as a clear move towards war. In both cases, Trump’s impetuous diktats were ignored by his top officials.

    Bergen’s book, the latest in a string of accounts of the president’s erratic leadership on national security issues, is being published on Tuesday at a time when friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry. The North Korean leadership is threatening a resumption of missile tests, and a war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un is simmering once more.

    North Korea insults Trump as 'heedless and erratic old man' as tension rises
    Trump has resurrected his nickname for Kim, “Rocket Man”. North Korea conducted a missile engine test at a site that it had previously mothballed, and on Monday a senior regime official called the US president a “heedless and erratic old man”.

    The level of mutual hostility is still some way off from the worst period in 2017 when a conflict looked a real possibility.

    In his book, Bergen – a vice-president of the New America thinktank – describes an Oval Office meeting on North Korea in mid-April 2017, after a string of North Korean missile tests. Trump’s top national security officials were present and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency had made a model of a secret North Korean facility the size of coffee table, to illustrate the regime’s covert programmes.

    According to Bergen, Trump was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula at night, showing the lights of China and South Korea and the blackness of North Korea in between. Trump initially mistook the void for an ocean. When he was shown the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?”

    Trump reportedly asked why Seoul, the capital of South Korea, was so close to the North Korean border. Photograph: Alamy
    Trump had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million.

    They have to move,” Trump said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But Trump then repeated the line. “They have to move!

    No action was taken in response to Trump’s bizarre remark, but the situation grew steadily worse, with a series of North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile tests and a hydrogen bomb test in September 2017.

    After watching a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, interviewed on Fox News in late January 2018, saying that US troops deployed to South Korea should not take their families with them, Bergen reports that Trump told his national security team: “I want an evacuation of American civilians from South Korea.”

    A senior official warned that such an evacuation would be interpreted as a signal that the US was ready to go to war, and would crash the South Korean stock market, but Trump is reported to have ignored the warning, telling his team: “Go do it!”

    Alarmed Pentagon officials ignored the order, and – according to Bergen – Trump eventually dropped the idea. It was one of a number of occasions that the defense secretary at the time, James Mattis, ignored direction from the White House. He also refused to send defense department officials to a planned Korea war game at Camp David in the autumn of 2017, or to provide military options for intercepting North Korean ships suspected of sanctions busting.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rth-korea-book
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    Hello Centerleftfl,

    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So the generals give Trump a briefing TRYING to get him to realize the gravity of N. Korea's aggression and BUILD UP of "rocketry" and the SHORT DISTANCE to Seoul SK where so many US personnel work and reside. You know like the US ARMY.

    He wanted to know WHY Seoul was so close to NK, Trump told them to MOVE SEOUL. Not the troops. Seoul.


    Friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry.

    Trump called for Seoul evacuation at height of North Korea tensions, new book says

    President’s diktat was ignored by his top officials, Peter Bergen writes in Trump and his Generals: The Cost of Chaos

    Julian Borger in Washington The Guardian
    Mon 9 Dec 2019 21.25 EST

    Donald Trump called for the population of Seoul to be moved during an Oval Office meeting when tensions between the US and North Korea were at their height, according to a new book about the president’s relations with the US military.

    The Cost of Chaos, the national security and counter-terrorism expert Peter Bergen also gives new details of Trump’s demands that the families of US service members in South Korea be evacuated, which the North Korean regime would have interpreted as a clear move towards war. In both cases, Trump’s impetuous diktats were ignored by his top officials.

    Bergen’s book, the latest in a string of accounts of the president’s erratic leadership on national security issues, is being published on Tuesday at a time when friction between Washington and Pyongyang is once more on the rise, after more than 18 months of detente and summitry. The North Korean leadership is threatening a resumption of missile tests, and a war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un is simmering once more.

    North Korea insults Trump as 'heedless and erratic old man' as tension rises
    Trump has resurrected his nickname for Kim, “Rocket Man”. North Korea conducted a missile engine test at a site that it had previously mothballed, and on Monday a senior regime official called the US president a “heedless and erratic old man”.

    The level of mutual hostility is still some way off from the worst period in 2017 when a conflict looked a real possibility.

    In his book, Bergen – a vice-president of the New America thinktank – describes an Oval Office meeting on North Korea in mid-April 2017, after a string of North Korean missile tests. Trump’s top national security officials were present and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency had made a model of a secret North Korean facility the size of coffee table, to illustrate the regime’s covert programmes.

    According to Bergen, Trump was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula at night, showing the lights of China and South Korea and the blackness of North Korea in between. Trump initially mistook the void for an ocean. When he was shown the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?”

    Trump reportedly asked why Seoul, the capital of South Korea, was so close to the North Korean border. Photograph: Alamy
    Trump had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million.

    They have to move,” Trump said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But Trump then repeated the line. “They have to move!

    No action was taken in response to Trump’s bizarre remark, but the situation grew steadily worse, with a series of North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile tests and a hydrogen bomb test in September 2017.

    After watching a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, interviewed on Fox News in late January 2018, saying that US troops deployed to South Korea should not take their families with them, Bergen reports that Trump told his national security team: “I want an evacuation of American civilians from South Korea.”

    A senior official warned that such an evacuation would be interpreted as a signal that the US was ready to go to war, and would crash the South Korean stock market, but Trump is reported to have ignored the warning, telling his team: “Go do it!”

    Alarmed Pentagon officials ignored the order, and – according to Bergen – Trump eventually dropped the idea. It was one of a number of occasions that the defense secretary at the time, James Mattis, ignored direction from the White House. He also refused to send defense department officials to a planned Korea war game at Camp David in the autumn of 2017, or to provide military options for intercepting North Korean ships suspected of sanctions busting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Centerleftfl,



    He's got an unrealistic 'solution' for every problem.

    And even some things that are NOT a problem.
    You are showing GREAT restraint. He is out of his fucking mind. And completely IN OVER HIS HEAD. His ignorance is abhorrent. Admittedly, I had to look it up when I read this as I knew Seoul had MILLIONS but had no idea it was 3 or 4 x the population of NYC. I was shocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    His stupidity reminds me of the woman who complained about the placement of deer crossings.

    She's STUUUUUPID. TRUMP is DANGEROUS.

    The interviewer was SPEECHLESS. Now that's priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    She's STUPID. He is DANGEROUS.

    He's SPEECHLESS. LOL!
    Trump has as much business being the leader of the free world as this ditz does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    You are showing GREAT restraint. He is out of his fucking mind. And completely IN OVER HIS HEAD. His ignorance is abhorrent. Admittedly, I had to look it up when I read this as I knew Seoul had MILLIONS but had no idea it was 3 or 4 x the population of NYC. I was shocked.
    You're an ocean going loony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    You're an ocean going loony!
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    Fake news lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Trump has as much business being the leader of the free world as this ditz does.
    I will admit something in the vein of the ditz above. I moved to DC in 80. Got right to work in my new job on Capitol Hill--geographically, not politically. I had underground parking but moved the car up to street level when staying late at night which was often in the early days. I moved it right after the time you didn't have to feed the meter. I kept seeing a sign next to the office, NO STANDING. I just assumed since there was a bus stop also in the same crowded TIGHT corner, it meant, don't stand around waiting for cabs or someone to pick you up.
    Don't block the way of the big ass Metro busses.

    No! It meant you couldn't PARK or LEAVE or even sit in your car there. I got towed. I did go to court, the judge waived the ticket for the newbie from the sticks, but I was still out the TOWING charge.

    Have never heard or read the term since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    Fake news lol.
    Yeah, sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I will admit something in the vein of the ditz above. I moved to DC in 80. Got right to work in my new job on Capitol Hill--geographically, not politically. I had underground parking but moved the car up to street level when staying late at night which was often in the early days. I moved it right after the time you didn't have to feed the meter. I kept seeing a sign next to the office, NO STANDING. I just assumed since there was a bus stop also in the same crowded TIGHT corner, it meant, don't stand around waiting for cabs or someone to pick you up.
    Don't block the way of the big ass Metro busses.

    No! It meant you couldn't PARK or LEAVE or even sit in your car there. I got towed. I did go to court, the judge waived the ticket for the newbie from the sticks, but I was still out the TOWING charge.

    Have never heard or read the term since.
    We have "No Standing" signs all over NYC so I never thought about it much but I can understand how it would be misinterpreted and strange to someone who never came across such a sign. Funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    We have "No Standing" signs all over NYC so I never thought about it much but I can understand how it would be misinterpreted and strange to someone who never came across such a sign. Funny.
    I just didn't really think to ask. I was still pretty new there. I still think it is a DUMBASS term. And even back then, towing as I remember was about $180.

    PS Think of how many foreigners come to DC. Think of how many TOURISTS. Oh well, you live and learn.
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    Trump has as much business being the leader of the free world as this ditz does.
    Ironically, even in her fucked up logic, she still sounded more cogent and could string words together though her critical thinking is lacking. I could MAYBE understand if she was new to the area. We don't get any deer crossings here but even I know what they are. (We get the occasional gator crossing on the road). Anyway she sounded like she had been there awhile or even a native. Hell, maybe it was APRIL 1.
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