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    Default Democrat impeachment report: Trump can be impeached despite him breaking no laws

    The House Judiciary Committee report actually argues that it doesn't matter that Trump committed no crimes, and that they get to simply assign “illegitimate motives” to him, charge him regardless of all the facts and evidence, and force him to go through a trial in the Senate on their triggered feelings alone. Seriously. It is literally the first time in the history of the republic such an asinine "make up whatever we feel like" abuse of power has been applied.



    It also holds up the fraudulent Johnson impeachment...the one rejected across the board as a hoax, as the model for their legal reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    The House Judiciary Committee report actually argues that it doesn't matter that Trump committed no crimes, and that they get to simply assign “illegitimate motives” to him, charge him regardless of all the facts and evidence, and force him to go through a trial in the Senate on their triggered feelings alone. Seriously. It is literally the first time in the history of the republic such an asinine "make up whatever we feel like" abuse of power has been applied.



    It also holds up the fraudulent Johnson impeachment...the one rejected across the board as a hoax, as the model for their legal reasoning.
    That is technically true. Impeachment is a political remedy. So the democrat party is within its Constitutional prerogative to do this.


    However political acts come with a political price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    That is technically true. Impeachment is a political remedy. So the democrat party is within its Constitutional prerogative to do this.
    Yes, but the fact that they had to state that as a precursor to their predetermined verdict on this non-controversy tells you everything you need to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    However political acts come with a political price.
    PURELY political acts like this top among them. First it was the collusion hoax, then it was "Trump resisted our coup attempt, so that's obstruction," now it's "investigating Biden's corruption is worse than Biden BEING corrupt." Never before has one side been allowed to repeatedly invent such made-up, flimsy, and fraudulent nonsense and use it as the basis of overruling the American people, undoing an election, and removing a duly-elected president. This is what an ACTUAL assault on "our democracy" looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    The House Judiciary Committee report actually argues that it doesn't matter that Trump committed no crimes, and that they get to simply assign “illegitimate motives” to him, charge him regardless of all the facts and evidence, and force him to go through a trial in the Senate on their triggered feelings alone. Seriously. It is literally the first time in the history of the republic such an asinine "make up whatever we feel like" abuse of power has been applied.



    It also holds up the fraudulent Johnson impeachment...the one rejected across the board as a hoax, as the model for their legal reasoning.

    You're the stupidest ass snot in the forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Yes, but the fact that they had to state that as a precursor to their predetermined verdict on this non-controversy tells you everything you need to know.



    PURELY political acts like this top among them. First it was the collusion hoax, then it was "Trump resisted our coup attempt, so that's obstruction," now it's "investigating Biden's corruption is worse than Biden BEING corrupt." Never before has one side been allowed to repeatedly invent such made-up, flimsy, and fraudulent nonsense and use it as the basis of overruling the American people, undoing an election, and removing a duly-elected president. This is what an ACTUAL assault on "our democracy" looks like.

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    And in a functional democracy, democrats will be assaulted by democracy, for their wanton hubris.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    You're the stupidest ass snot in the forum
    and yet, he's just made you and yours look like idiots........are saying that was really, really easy?.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    and yet, he's just made you and yours look like idiots........are saying that was really, really easy?.....

    you being ass snot just means you need a bigger rag

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    It\s like all those folks Mueller sent to jail. Lying and tax fraud. I'm pretty sure 99% of us would be in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuckerCarlson View Post
    It\s like all those folks Mueller sent to jail. Lying and tax fraud. I'm pretty sure 99% of us would be in jail.

    People are protecting themselves and others from trumps racism and homophobia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    That is technically true. Impeachment is a political remedy. So the democrat party is within its Constitutional prerogative to do this.


    However political acts come with a political price.
    Is that what the Constitution says? Is that what Madison's notes say? No, and no.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    You're the stupidest ass snot in the forum
    Wait, I thought I was. No fair. I'm telling.
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Is that what the Constitution says? Is that what Madison's notes say? No, and no.
    exactly.. this is a false meme. the Constitution requires a crime to impeach

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    exactly.. this is a false meme. the Constitution requires a crime to impeach
    Yep. Teflon Don ain't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    That is technically true. Impeachment is a political remedy. So the democrat party is within its Constitutional prerogative to do this.


    However political acts come with a political price.
    Cheating and lying to win elections comes with a political price as well.

    I bet it costs more to lie and cheat than it does to impeach a president for lying and cheating.

    BTW, impeachment is the COST of lying and cheating.

    It seems you approve of Donald Trump's lying and cheating-well that has a cost too!

    Your approval of Donald Trump's cheating and lying is going to cost you your choice for president.

    ANd when an entire political party approves of lying and cheating to win- it is going to cost you the next- if not even more elections to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    The House Judiciary Committee report actually argues that it doesn't matter that Trump committed no crimes, and that they get to simply assign “illegitimate motives” to him, charge him regardless of all the facts and evidence, and force him to go through a trial in the Senate on their triggered feelings alone. Seriously. It is literally the first time in the history of the republic such an asinine "make up whatever we feel like" abuse of power has been applied.



    It also holds up the fraudulent Johnson impeachment...the one rejected across the board as a hoax, as the model for their legal reasoning.
    Hey idiot, we didn't make up the rules.
    The House of Representatives...shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
    Can you read- knothead? Well then here, allow me to educate you on the subject so that you are informed of how this shit works according to the Constitution!

    In the debates in the Constitutional Convention, the delegates were attempting to craft a mechanism that would allow for the disciplining of a President who abused his constitutional responsibilities without creating a weapon by which the President would be prevented from carrying them out. At bottom, it was a question of how to refine and make effective the separation of powers.

    Article II, Section 4, says that the President, Vice President, and "all civil Officers of the United States"—which includes judges—can be impeached. Members of Congress can be expelled by their own respective body. (See Article I, Section 5, Clause 2.)

    Early on, some delegates expressed the apprehension that those serving in the federal government would be disinclined to monitor each other. Accordingly, John Dickinson proposed "that the Executive be made removable by the National Legislature on the request of a majority of the Legislatures of individual States." James Madison opposed the idea because it would subject the executive to the "intrigues" of the states. After defeating Dickinson's proposal, the members of the Convention also turned aside George Mason's and Governer Morris's initial fears that the impeachment power might render the executive the servant of the legislature. Instead, the Framers opted for the procedure that had been followed by the English and by the constitutions of most of the states. The appropriate place of bringing charges of impeachment, which power is analogous to the bringing of criminal charges by a grand jury, is in the lower house of the legislature. Just as the grand and petit juries are popular institutions, so it made sense to have the branch closest to the people charged with this indictment-like power.

    The Constitution does not specify how impeachment proceedings are to be initiated. Early in our history, a Member would rise on the floor of Congress and propose an impeachment, which would then be assigned to a committee. In recent years, Members of the House Judiciary Committee have initiated the proceeding and then made recommendations for the whole House's consideration. If the House votes an impeachment resolution, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee recommends a slate of "managers," whom the House subsequently approves by resolution, and who then become prosecutors in the trial in the Senate.

    For a time there was legislation enabling the Attorney General to appoint a "special prosecutor" with the power to recommend impeachments to Congress, but dissatisfaction with the power of such an unchecked independent counsel led to the expiration of the authorizing statute. Even the most famous "independent counsel," Judge Kenneth Starr, who recommended the impeachment of President William Jefferson Clinton to Congress, had consistently argued against the practice of appointing such independent counsels.

    There have not been many instances of impeachment over the years—a few dozen in all, mostly of corrupt federal judges. The most notable impeachments—Justice Samuel Chase, Presidents Andrew Johnson and William Jefferson Clinton—have ended in acquittals by the Senate. There were proceedings and hearings at the House Judiciary Committee and a bill of impeachment reported to the House against President Richard M. Nixon. Nixon resigned before the full House could vote on the impeachment charges against him.

    The near-unanimous view of constitutional commentators is that the House of Representatives' "sole power" of impeachment is a political question and therefore not reviewable by the judiciary. The House is constitutionally obligated to base a bill of impeachment on the standards set out in Article II. (See Article II, Section 4.) However, the fact that the Constitution's text grants the House the "sole power," and the fact that such a review is not clearly within the Article III power of the federal judiciary indicate that this responsibility is the House's alone. The Supreme Court has found that the Senate's "sole power" to try impeachments is not justiciable. Nixon v. United States (1993).

    That leaves the question of whether the clause imposes an affirmative duty on the House to monitor the conduct of those subject to impeachment, and, when evidence of impea-chable offenses is manifest, to initiate proceedings. It has been the general American practice regarding criminal law to grant considerable discretion to prosecutors, so that by analogy one could argue that the House has complete discretion to decide whether to initiate impeachment proceedings. On the other hand, Alexander Hamilton, in The Federalist No. 77, argued that the nation would find "republican" safety from a presidential abuse of power by the mode of his election and by his "being at all times liable to impeachment." There is no doubt that the Framers saw impeachment as a part of the system of checks and balances to maintain the separation of powers and the republican form of government. The implication is that when the President (or other impeachable official) has committed an impeachable offense, the Members of the House, bound by the oaths they take to uphold the Constitution, are under a particular obligation to deal with the miscreant's offenses, irrespective of whether their bill of impeachment may or may not lead to a conviction in the Senate.

    [Stephen B. Presser Sullivan & Cromwell Professor of Law Northwestern University School of Law]
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