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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...ong-message-to

    If an Ambassador from a foreign country pens an Op Ed in another country’s media against a political candidate is that election interference?

    Yes or No?

    Let the leftist spin begin. Can’t wait
    Not even close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Can you prove it was. Baron.
    Well, ambassadors represent their respective government.

    Therefore; it was Ukrainian interference against Trump and for Hillary.

    See how silly this is? The Russians ALWAYS ‘interfere’ with elections ever since like the 50’s. Whether their interference amounts to anything in The Big Picture is like counting how many angels reside on the head of a pin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Do you know the difference between an allegation and a fact?
    Yes. This is a fact, no matter how many times you say that the card says moops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Ukrainian Ambassador is the government is it not?
    No, he's one person. This wasn't an official government act like the phony announcement of a government investigation would have been.

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    You plus this thread = fuck you and die. QED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    You are missing the point. When we say Ukraine interfered your side says they didn’t.

    You at last admit that they did.

    Good girl
    Big stretch to compare an official writing a public letter expressing an opinion to secretly asking a foreign government to investigate a political rival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Ukraine obviously had a preference and tried to sway US voters. That is interference.

    Trump had a policy position. You want to criminalize politics. You are a Stalinist
    A person. Not Ukraine. You would need a lot more that one op-ed to be able to say Ukraine was backing anyone. They were not working with others to construct an organization to help a candidate. They were not cheating. It was just a letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, how did the Ukrainians interfere for Trump when no interference actually occurred lol?
    They didn't. The Russians did. And twump tried to extort the Ukranians.

    Please stop eating your own shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    They didn't. The Russians did. And twump tried to extort the Ukranians.

    Please stop eating your own shit.
    You realize that they aren’t mutually exclusive right? You do realize that it is possible for both to have meddled?

    Or isn’t your brain capable of complex thought processes?

    Don’t answer. I already know the answer is a negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    You realize that they aren’t mutually exclusive right? You do realize that it is possible for both to have meddled?

    Or isn’t your brain capable of complex thought processes?

    Don’t answer. I already know the answer is a negative.
    It is possible every country meddled, but they didn't. No evidence that Ukraine did anything. But Trump asked them to help his election. That is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It is possible every country meddled, but they didn't. No evidence that Ukraine did anything. But Trump asked them to help his election. That is true.
    That is not true.

    And there is proof Ukraine meddled

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    Who’s Really to Blame for the ‘Ukraine Did It’ Conspiracy Theory?
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...theory/602992/

    debunking the server is in Ukraine -it's in the cloud. In a document release last month, the FBI revealed one notable detail: During an interview with the FBI, Rick Gates, Manafort’s former deputy, recalled that Konstantin Kilimnik, one of Manafort’s business partners with alleged links to Russian intelligence, advanced the narrative that Ukraine had a role in the DNC hack. “Gates recalled Manafort saying the hack was likely carried out by the Ukrainians, not the Russians, which parroted a narrative Kilimnik often supported,” according to an FBI document, which then adds, confusingly, that “Kilimnik also opined the hack could have been perpetrated by Russian operatives in Ukraine.” It is unclear from Gates’s recollection when exactly this statement was made, and how persistently Manafort in turn repeated it.

    The Ukraine-hacked conspiracy theory is usually combined with a version of the CrowdStrike conspiracy theory, in which the cybersecurity firm somehow engineered the DNC leak while framing Russian intelligence. Kilimnik, notably, does not appear to have advanced this far more common version of the theory.

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    Ukraine’s leaders campaign against ‘pro-Putin’ Trump
    https://www.ft.com/content/c98078d0-...1-d87a9fea034f

    Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
    Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

    CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery
    it’s the same report that claimed Russian groups used malware on the DNC.
    https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/0...ian-artillery/

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    The reality is that Mueller’s investigation did not indict anyone on the Trump campaign for collusion with Russia, or even for anything related to the 2016 election.
    Mueller’s report found no evidence of a Trump-Russia conspiracy, and even undermined the case for it.

    That said, there are unresolved matters that Mueller’s testimony could help clarify. Mueller claimed to have established that the Russian government conducted “a sweeping and systematic” interference campaign in order to elect Trump, yet the contents of his report don’t support that allegation. The Mueller report repeatedly excludes countervailing information in order to suggest, misleadingly, that the Trump campaign had suspect “links” and “ties” to people connected with Russia. And Mueller and other intelligence officials involved in the Russia probe made questionable investigative decisions that are worthy of scrutiny. To address these issues, here are some questions that Mueller could be asked.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/qu...er-russiagate/

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    [QUOTE=anatta;3385928]The reality is that Mueller’s investigation did not indict anyone on the Trump campaign for collusion with Russia, or even for anything related to the 2016 election.
    Mueller’s report found no evidence of a Trump-Russia conspiracy, and even undermined the case for it.

    That said, there are unresolved matters that Mueller’s testimony could help clarify. Mueller claimed to have established that the Russian government conducted “a sweeping and systematic” interference campaign in order to elect Trump, yet the contents of his report don’t support that allegation. The Mueller report repeatedly excludes countervailing information in order to suggest, misleadingly, that the Trump campaign had suspect “links” and “ties” to people connected with Russia. And Mueller and other intelligence officials involved in the Russia probe made questionable investigative decisions that are worthy of scrutiny. To address these issues, here are some questions that Mueller could be asked.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/qu...er-russiagate/[/]

    Not a single indictment against anyone in the Trump campaign that had to do with the 2016 election.

    Trump must have run a pretty clean campaign lol.
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