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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Nidal Hasan, a member of the US military, killed 13 people. By Jackoff's logic, we should stop defending... America?
    Stop supporting Saudi spreading of Wahhabism.

    "Wahhabism is an Islamic doctrine and religious movement founded by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. It has been variously described as "ultraconservative", "far-right" "austere", "fundamentalist", or "puritan"; ... Wikipedia"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "WASHINGTON—The Trump administration turned over a key piece of new information to lawyers for 9/11 victims’ families, a move that could cast light on long-disputed reports of Saudi government involvement in the terrorist attacks."
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice...rs-11568317330
    The WSJ paywall might keep some from reading this article. Here's a larger quote from it:
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    The Federal Bureau of Investigation provided the name of a Saudi official contained in a 2012 report that the bureau has long sought to shield from full public view. It declined to release any other information the families had sought, which could have further complicated already-tense relations between Washington and Riyadh.

    The decision, revealed in a Thursday court filing, marks the latest turn in a long battle between the families and the FBI to get access to an unredacted copy of the report and other information. The families sought the document as part of a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia that accuses its government of helping coordinate the 2001 attacks.

    Victims’ families had for months urged the government to provide the full report, telling President Trump in a letter recently that it would help them “finally learn the full truth and obtain justice from Saudi Arabia.”

    The FBI, citing the “exceptional nature of the case” said it would provide only the name of the one Saudi official that the families had wanted most to obtain, but no other information. The name of the official won’t be made public, but would be given privately to lawyers for the victims’ families, according to the filing.

    Also from the article, evidence that the Trump Administration is trying to protect Saudi Arabia:

    "The official said the FBI was shielding additional information to protect classified information related to “ongoing investigations” and to protect its source and methods. Attorney General William Barr asserted the state secrets privilege to keep the other information secret, saying there was a “reasonable danger” that releasing it would “risk significant harm to national security.”"

    In other words, the Saudis might get pissed and stop buying our weaponry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Nothing would have ever happened without the direction and approval of Obama. Such will go down in history.
    WTF do you think this means? Seal team 6 killed OBL on the ok of Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    WTF do you think this means? Seal team 6 killed OBL on the ok of Obama.
    Yes, Mr. Obama will always receive the credit he deserves for that risky attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Just out of curiosity -- you (plural) believe that somehow Trump is magically responsible for the current economy. Yet you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that President Obama gets credit for ridding the world of OBL. Do you really think Seal Team Six just up and decided to fly into Pakistan one night and take him out? Why is it so hard to give Obama credit for 1) being the CiC, and 2) the one who ordered the kill?

    9/11 happened almost a year to the day before my father passed away. I asked him how he compared that with the attack on Pearl Harbor. He said that the feelings of shock, grief, and anger were almost the same. Most ppl had been reluctant to get into what they saw as none of their business -- the wars in Europe and in Asia. But the attack changed all that.
    Owl what part of Seal team 6 killed OBL on the ok of Obama. didn't you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Yes, Mr. Obama will always receive the credit he deserves for that risky attack.
    I agree that was a gutsy play and if it failed there would have been hell to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The WSJ paywall might keep some from reading this article. Here's a larger quote from it:
    ~~~
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation provided the name of a Saudi official contained in a 2012 report that the bureau has long sought to shield from full public view. It declined to release any other information the families had sought, which could have further complicated already-tense relations between Washington and Riyadh.

    The decision, revealed in a Thursday court filing, marks the latest turn in a long battle between the families and the FBI to get access to an unredacted copy of the report and other information. The families sought the document as part of a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia that accuses its government of helping coordinate the 2001 attacks.

    Victims’ families had for months urged the government to provide the full report, telling President Trump in a letter recently that it would help them “finally learn the full truth and obtain justice from Saudi Arabia.”

    The FBI, citing the “exceptional nature of the case” said it would provide only the name of the one Saudi official that the families had wanted most to obtain, but no other information. The name of the official won’t be made public, but would be given privately to lawyers for the victims’ families, according to the filing.

    Also from the article, evidence that the Trump Administration is trying to protect Saudi Arabia:

    "The official said the FBI was shielding additional information to protect classified information related to “ongoing investigations” and to protect its source and methods. Attorney General William Barr asserted the state secrets privilege to keep the other information secret, saying there was a “reasonable danger” that releasing it would “risk significant harm to national security.”"

    In other words, the Saudis might get pissed and stop buying our weaponry.
    Thanks, Owl.
    The Saudis aren't stupid, they know how to cover their tracks.
    ISIS is another backed Saudi group.
    What's funny ... Red Team thinks ISIS is an Iranian proxy.

    ISIS, Arab Sunni Fundamentalists (like Saudi Arabia). Iran is Persian Shia.

    "In recent years, Sunni–Shia relations have been increasingly marked by conflict,[14] particularly the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict. Sectarian violence persists to this day from Pakistan to Yemen and is a major element of friction throughout the Middle East and South Asia.[15][16] Tensions between communities have intensified during power struggles, such as the Bahraini uprising, the Iraq War, the Syrian Civil War[17][18][19] and the formation of the self-styled Islamic State of Iraq and Syria that has launched a genocide against Shias."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E...unni_relations

    --->"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria that has launched a genocide against Shias". It's amazing how Red Team is oblivious to Reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    You know what I'm remembering ... these fucking Saudis that come here and kill people. Why is Trump sending thousands of American Troops to protect Saudi Arabia?
    9/11. More Saudi assholes killing Americans.
    Why would you want to derail this thread, ignorant bastard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    Today is Pearl Harbor day. A day that will live in infamy.
    ....

    I'm watching part of a doc on History channel called the truth about pearl harbor.

    Rather shocking how much secret foreknowledge the gov't had of the impending attack and vulnerability of the harbor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Why would you want to derail this thread, ignorant bastard?
    oh the irony from tommy no mates, brought up in council housing by bone idle layabouts


    now whining about derailing threads
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    Back to subject at hand, why is Jack such a cretin?

    The role of weather on December 7th, 1941 and a little known important indirect benefit

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    The weather on Oahu, Hawaii in the early morning hours of Sunday, December 7th, 1941 was not at all unusual for the time of year with mild temperatures and mainly clear skies. Unfortunately, the weather conditions on that particular day would play a role in the bombing of the U.S. naval base by Japanese fighter planes at Pearl Harbor near Honolulu, Hawaii. As Japanese fighters crossed the Pacific Ocean, they were given hope that their mission would succeed when the announcement was made of “clouds mostly over the mounts…visibility good”. It is believed that the decision to attack on that particular day had plenty to do with the projected favorable weather conditions.

    Actual hourly weather observations shown here as recorded by the weather observer at Hickam Field in Honolulu, Hawaii on the morning of December 7, 1941. The highlighted text appears to say “obstructions to visibility at this (scribbled)” and then what appears to be the word “terrified”. The obstruction to visibility at this time could have been “smoke”. The weather observer on this day was PFC Sherman Levine of the US Air Corps and he died during the attack, likely a few minutes after completing the last observation on this small slip of paper. For more on the life of PFC Sherman Levine, click here.

    https://undereverytombstone.blogspot...1-sherman.html

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    In 1941, Hawaii was a territory of the US with statehood some eighteen years away. As early as the 1870’s, the US military had scoped out the islands for commercial and defensive potential and decided that Pearly harbor on the south side of Oahu about ten miles northwest of Honolulu fit the bill. With the persistent trade winds blowing from the northeast most of the year, this particular part of Oahu is in the rain shadow of the Koolau Range. While clouds and rain are common in the Koolau Range, the downsloping winds tend to dry out for southern side of the island. In fact, Honolulu averages only about 17 inches of rainfall in a given year due to the drying effects of the downsloping winds.

    Pearl Harbor is in the “rain-shadow” of the Koolau Range on the south side of Oahu

    On the morning of December 7th, 1941, the weather observer at Hickam Field in Honolulu reported mainly clear skies each hour with mild temperatures and light east-to-northeast winds. There was nothing that would obstruct fighter pilots lines of sight, no heavy cloud cover and no heavy rains to make flight difficult on that fateful day. After crossing the rough waters of the North Pacific, the Japanese fighter pilots in more than 350 planes reported seeing a “long white line of coast” referring to Oahu’s Kakuku Point (according to National Geographic, AccuWeather). In summary, as far as the weather was concerned, all was favorable for the attack that had been planned “many days or even weeks in advance” according to President Roosevelt in his famous speech given on the following day.

    Though the US suffered greatly on that particular morning due in large part to the generally clear sky conditions, the weather actually played an important indirect beneficial role for the nation. The USS Enterprise (CV-6) was coming back to Pearl Harbor from Wake Island and was actually scheduled to arrive on the morning of December 7th, but it was delayed due to rough seas. According to the former director for the US Naval Institute, Paul Stillwell, “the vessel was behind schedule returning to Pearl Harbor, and because of this was not present for the attack. The Enterprise played a substantial role throughout the remainder of the war, and had it been in port that day, things may have been very different.”

    USS Enterprise (CV-6) was the seventh U.S. Navy vessel to bear the name. Colloquially called “The Big E”, she was the sixth aircraft carrier of the United States Navy. A Yorktown-class carrier, she was launched in 1936 and was one of only three American carriers commissioned before World War II to survive the war. Had the mighty vessel made it back to Pearl Harbor on schedule, she would have been engaged by Japanese fighters and likely damaged or destroyed. As it turned out, the USS Enterprise earned enough commendations (20 Battle Stars) to become the most decorated US ship in World War II.

    Pennsylvania Military Museum in Boalsburg, PA has two of the guns from the USS Pennsylvania

    One of the battleships damaged at Pearl Harbor was the USS Pennsylvania (BB-38). After a three month repair, it returned to action in 1942. On August 12th, 1945, three days before Japan surrendered, the USS Pennsylvania was extensively damaged by a Japanese torpedo at Okinawa. The torpedo’s impact caused a hole of approximately 30 feet in diameter in her stern. Twenty men were killed and ten were injured. Two of the ships 14 inch guns are now on display at the Pennsylvania Military Museum in Boalsburg, PA (source Dr. Jon Nese, Penn State University: video discussion courtesy YouTube:


    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/12/...irect-benefit/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Imagine what it would mean for Europe if we hadn't been attacked that day. Those shit talking cucks would be speaking German.
    The fate of Nazi Germany was decided at the battle of Stalingrad, long before America was committed to the war in any significant way.

    What America's role in the European theater probably prevented was all of Germany being brought into the soviet sphere of influence .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Why would you want to derail this thread, ignorant bastard?
    It's a Testament to what the 1941 Generation accomplished ... 'Victory over Japan'.
    Compared to what the Gimps of Today have accomplished ... 'Lackeys to Saudi Arabia'.

    (why don't you just enjoy your French beer in Thailand and STFU when it comes to America?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    It's a Testament to what the 1941 Generation accomplished ... 'Victory over Japan'.
    Compared to what the Gimps of Today have accomplished ... 'Lackeys to Saudi Arabia'.

    (why don't you just enjoy your French beer in Thailand and STFU when it comes to America?)
    Jack I've been here ten years and seen off many obnoxious twats, you're just a mere Jack Come Lately. Pearl Harbour was an international event you ignorant peasant, the Japanese attacked the British the very next day, did you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Jack I've been here ten years and seen off many obnoxious twats, you're just a mere Jack Come Lately. Pearl Harbour was an international event you ignorant peasant, the Japanese attacked the British the very next day, did you know that?
    It's pronounced 'Pearl Harbor' you ignorant slut and, for your edification, it's a day of a massive failure to BE PREPARED.

    HM: "the Japanese attacked the British the very next day"
    Jack; Were they lounging around sun-bathing and playing Golf?

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