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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    So any changes to the current education system or status quo and just more cash?
    Lies.....you racist fucks have been slowly defunding education and lying about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    There are more of those programs than you can count. Many of the classes go unfilled and have to be canceled. Community colleges, technical schools, job training programs by unions, apprenticeship programs, Job Corps (that pays living expenses and hourly wages, and job training), and high school vocational programs are all available.

    There is no shortage of job training programs for those interested.
    Where exactly are these free programs?

    Be specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Where exactly are these free programs?

    Be specific.
    Probably some byzantine disjointed well hidden morass designed by Republicans to deter utilization!

    We need a one stop education Leviathan for everything top to bottom loaded to the gills with tax cash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    What your problem Earl, you can afford the brain surgeon that you desperately need.
    Total deflection when you are beat it's your go to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    So much for the shills and their praise of Trumps great economy.
    When America gets good news, liberals must downplay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    The GOP dances to the tune dictated by their mega donors, and that is why we have got an income and wealth disparity.
    Democrats dance to the tune of their Globalist puppet masters! You act like they want something different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Probably some byzantine disjointed well hidden morass designed by Republicans to deter utilization!

    We need a one stop education Leviathan for everything top to bottom loaded to the gills with tax cash!
    EXACTLY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Interesting, why do you believe that is? Are people just not taking advantage of the resources available to them? Are they unaware these programs exist?
    I'm sure being unaware is part of it. Also, the target is low income individuals who have personal problems keeping them from being able to show up regularly or persevere. My two step-daughters got a grant and went to cosmetology school run by a local beauty shop. They both dropped out because some people are just not very good at finishing anything (Beauty School Dropout). They go from job to job and never make much money.

    In my area there are are a lot of high-paying plant jobs and one of the biggest problems in hiring enough people to fill those jobs is being able to pass the drug test.

    The shortage of truck drivers has drawn a number of Sikhs who are now taking those jobs.

    Some of the training programs are short-term pork barrel projects designed to allow members of Congress to target money to their districts. They may not be a real need or interest for training, for example, welders in a particular area and the project might not get enough students to run the program (which leads to some real abuses).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    Where exactly are these free programs?

    Be specific.
    In almost every city in America. Look at the left-hand column of this Department of Labor website. It includes adult training programs, American Job Centers, Apprenticeships, dislocated workers, Indians and Native American programs, Job Corps, migrant and seasonal farm workers, people with disabilities, safety and health, seniors, trade act programs, veterans, and youth programs.

    https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/training

    And these are just the Department of Labor programs and does not include all the state and local programs or the 1,100 community colleges (many with multiple campuses).

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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What do you believe the answer is to have less lower paying jobs in our tech driven globalized economy today?
    A good question.

    We know exactly what capitalism is going to do. It's going to eliminate those jobs. And by automating many tasks there will be less need for workers. There will not be enough well-paying jobs for everyone. Heck. There aren't enough right now. But that is only going to become more extreme.

    What is the plan that conservatives have to promote the general welfare in such a condition? Easy. Blame the poor! Tell them they made bad choices in life. Offer them a 'non-job,' working 14 hours a week (on call, the rest, for no pay) so you can claim they don't qualify for unemployment, and they don't count in the unemployment rate. Then take away any government assistance they may have been receiving even though it is nowhere near enough to balance the budget after your GIANT tax cut for the rich.

    What is the progressive plan to promote the general welfare? Simple Tax the super-rich so much that the government not only pays for itself, it can pay a Universal Basic Income to every person. Make it enough so that they can live comfortably, but certainly not well off. Higher Wealth is so great in the USA the richest can afford that easily and still be richer than everybody else. And plus, as labor is eliminated by Artificial Intelligence, AI, the machines which will replace labor will be so initially expensive only the richest and largest corporations will be able to afford them. But those machines will quickly pay for themselves and make the richest even richer. Those are the riches that will pay the UBI. And still have plenty left over for the titans of capitalism, who will still be richer than everybody else.

    In the future, if people want to work and earn additional wealth, they will be free to. But they won't have to. And THAT will be a far greater America than what we have today, or what Trump fans think makes the country great. It will be awesome. To have the gift of life with total freedom and not be forced to give the better part of your life just to pay for existence. Imagine how advanced humans will become freed from the burden of working! The arts will explode. And I have a feeling a lot of other areas will advance greatly. People who like to make their houses and properties look nice will have all the time in the world to do so. Cars will be cleaner. Streets cleaner and nicer. Our cities will LOOK better. Only possible with socialism. Capitalism is taking us the other way.

    We have *so* got to get the balance between the two correct.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The problem isn't that there are not enough good jobs to go around but that too many people don't have the skills for those jobs. Chicago announced 50,000 high paying jobs they could not fill. There is a large shortage of truck drivers that pay up to $80,000 a year.

    --Almost 84,000 openings for software developers are on the books.

    --there is a gap of approximately 46,000 between web developer job postings and hires.

    --Engineering jobs pay well and are pretty secure, and there are roughly 47,000 unfilled positions out there, according to estimates.

    --IT and computer administration--51,000

    --There are nearly 300,000 unique job postings for nurses going up every month

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...mployees.html/


    Nobody is going to get a good paying job unless they acquire some education, skill, or experience to qualify for them.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the mean hourly wage is $24.98.
    The reason those jobs remain unfilled is because they are undesirable jobs. Good jobs don't go unfilled. The best jobs never even get listed. And the good ones often get listed as a matter of formality even though the employer already has someone in mind for the position, they simply need to go through the motions to satisfy investors. The best jobs are filled by word of mouth. Or somebody worked in a related position and had their eye on the job for years, making sure they are the best qualified for it. Then when the time comes they move right into it.

    If a job has to get listed out to the general public it is not a very desirable job. Nurse? They work their butts off. I know one who had to quit because the work was so demanding and stressful it was giving her high blood pressure and back pain. And she worked for a supervisor who made her life hell. Engineer? Guess which ones are open. Drilling rig. That's a job where ya don't get to go home at night. You'll be gone for weeks when you go to work. And it might be in some remote location where you can't leave the rig. 24-7 you'll be there with all the same people. Oh, and you'll be in a dangerous job. Truck driver? That's one of the most dangerous jobs in America. 30,000 people die every year on our highways. Very stressful job. Drivers are *so* courteous, you know. The highway is a 'friendly' place, yeah, right. And how long a career could that be with AI looming to eliminate drivers?

    In total, a few hundred thousand well-paying jobs have been identified, and it's obvious why these lousy jobs remain unfilled. And that pales in comparison to the 44 million Americans who need well-paying jobs.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    He has. These people have done nothing to improve themselves.
    There you go blaming the poor again.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    There are more of those programs than you can count. Many of the classes go unfilled and have to be canceled. Community colleges, technical schools, job training programs by unions, apprenticeship programs, Job Corps (that pays living expenses and hourly wages, and job training), and high school vocational programs are all available.

    There is no shortage of job training programs for those interested.
    Suppose every single poor person took your advice, got that training, got those great jobs. Awesome, eh? Great for them!

    Now, who is going to do the low paying jobs they left? Immigrants?

    Blaming the poor is no solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Interesting, why do you believe that is? Are people just not taking advantage of the resources available to them? Are they unaware these programs exist?
    Maybe they don't want a bad back from leaning over a car hood all day, or they don't want repetitive motion injury from doing a simple physical effort over and over all day, or they don't want to work at night when the openings are available? Most people do like to be awake in the daytime and sleep at night.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I'm sure being unaware is part of it. Also, the target is low income individuals who have personal problems keeping them from being able to show up regularly or persevere. My two step-daughters got a grant and went to cosmetology school run by a local beauty shop. They both dropped out because some people are just not very good at finishing anything (Beauty School Dropout). They go from job to job and never make much money.

    In my area there are are a lot of high-paying plant jobs and one of the biggest problems in hiring enough people to fill those jobs is being able to pass the drug test.

    The shortage of truck drivers has drawn a number of Sikhs who are now taking those jobs.

    Some of the training programs are short-term pork barrel projects designed to allow members of Congress to target money to their districts. They may not be a real need or interest for training, for example, welders in a particular area and the project might not get enough students to run the program (which leads to some real abuses).
    Naturally! That makes sense. How logical. American capitalism creates such undesirable work with such unacceptable pay for lousy jobs that only immigrants will take it. This gets greedy corporations more bang for the labor buck, and leaves America in the lurch. But what does capitalism care about society? It doesn't. Hence, why we need socialism mixed in with our capitalism.
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