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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Like I said people from all over the world come here for the opportunity. It's the same reason aspiring actors and actresses go to L.A. For a chance to pursue their dreams. They may make it or may not. They may stay in S.F. or L.A. or may not. But people are drawn to the opportunity.
    They also like the foodie and arts and crafts lifestyle and caliber and disposition or attitude of people there, politically, socially and morally.
    I pay extra to live where I know old men don't think they are genetically superior to everyone else like they do in Trump nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    There is no 'would bring' about all the good socialism has already produced. It has already happened. It is happening now and it will continue to happen. People who have the mistaken idea that we are in some kind of battle between capitalism and socialism are out of touch. We already have socialism and it has lifted the poor from destitution. We use capitalism to pay for that socialism and the two work together to produce the highest standard of living ever known. Delusional people who are afraid of socialism and afraid it is going to wipe out capitalism are under completely false impressions, hopelessly mixed up by capitalist propaganda.

    The greediest capitalists among us foment and produce stupid propaganda for the sole reason of greed. The greediest richest few want to suppress our socialism simply to increase their own profits and reduce their taxes and their financial burden to help pay for the government programs. They strongly support the Republican party and circulate the false rumor that taxing is too high and that we should always be trying to cut taxes. That's wrong. They have been far too successful in spreading their lies. That has produced the largest tax cut for the rich in history and with it the largest deficit in history. Fool's gold. We run our government on credit. The deeper in debt the government sinks, the greater their profits. Foolish and irresponsible.

    Oh yeah, the economy is 'doing great,' they claim. And the numbers look really good. More people working than ever, (at jobs that don't support them,) and the stock market is soaring. Not a word about the debt or the deficit because that is a sore subject. Republicans were *SO* worried about the debt when Obama was President that when they were finally able to wrest control of the government away from the irresponsible Democrats they took matters in their own hands and made the debt problem FAR greater.

    It was totally irresponsible to have a tax cut for the richest when we had so much debt and the economy was strong. The responsible thing to do would be to use the power of that strong economy to pay down the debt they complained so bitterly about.

    We now borrow over a trillion dollars a year to run our government and the rich enjoy the lowest taxes in decades.

    IRRESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS ARE RACKING UP TOWERING GOVERNMENT DEBT.
    Iím not sure how what you wrote has to do with job training programs we were discussing but if your concern is government debt you support Bernie Sanders who is a supporter of MMT which states deficits do not matter and we should run high deficits to fund government programs. You just donít like debt when itís done by people you donít support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    They also like the foodie and arts and crafts lifestyle and caliber and disposition or attitude of people there, politically, socially and morally.
    I pay extra to live where I know old men don't think they are genetically superior to everyone else like they do in Trump nation.
    Is this the Onion or South Park?

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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You are saying those well paying jobs are worse than working in a nursing home, convenience store, or retail clerk?
    Nope. That's what you just said. If you want to know what I said you will have to look at my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You also say 44 million Americans need well-paying jobs but apparently don't want to do the kind of "undesirable" work that earns them that money. I don't think engineers (most are not on drilling rigs), web developer, or software developers are undesirable, especially compared to the $10 an hour jobs. And yes, nursing is a hard job, but millions to it and make good money (RNs). It sounds like you want people to have good paying jobs that don't have to work too hard or have any training or skills.
    It's funny. I say one thing, you hear another. It's like you take what I actually said and then you embellish it, dress it up, make it what you want to respond to. Ya know what that's called? You're making a straw man argument. Nothing could say I have you more than your inability to address my post and your need to try to turn it into something that's easier for you to dispute. You take my excellent argument and you rewrite it and make it a spineless straw man that is easy for you to rip to shreds, then you rip the straw man to shreds and dance around in glee admiring your cleverness. I am sorry to say with this effort you're only fooling yourself. Any time you reread one of your posts prior to posting, and you see yourself writing this phrase: "So what you're saying is...." that should be a warning signal that maybe you are creating another straw man. I already know what I said. I don't need you to paraphrase it and fool yourself that I said something easier for you to dispute. And you are certainly doing yourself a disfavor by pretending to respond to some imaginary thing which was never said.

    Most of the 44 million working poor are stuck in lives they can't easily change. They lack the motivation to better themselves. Their time is spent working and commuting and then trying to actually enjoy what little of their life is left over after their obligations are met. They often have children depending on them. They may drink, they may smoke, they watch TV. Capitalism plays to their weaknesses. They want things. They don't budget themselves very well. They probably drive a 'Buy Here Pay Here' rip-off car that drains their earnings. They may utilize a 'Payday Loan Shark' joint to further their difficulties as they try to rectify their hopelessness. They are putty compared to the psycho-analytics used by professional marketers. Whatever their weakness is, it will be exploited for profit by somebody with more capital than they have (which is usually zero.) Wanna know where they went wrong to get into this rut? They got born into the wrong life. If only they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth like Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I don't think most of those highly paid unskilled jobs are undesirable as much as there are not enough people qualified to fill them. That is why maniy are filled with people from places like India.
    Ah. Finally we get your opinion and honest response to what I said. Thank you. Now we can begin an honest discussion. Now I can respond.

    Then what happened to American superiority? We are not better than them? Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life. Since employers are able to get desperate applicants from places of zero opportunity those jobs do not pay what they actually should to compensate for their undesirability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    "At the end of January, the US economy had 7.6 million unfilled jobs, but only 6.5 million people were looking for work, according to data released Friday by the US Department of Labor. This was the 11th straight month that the number of job openings was higher than the number of job seekers. And each month, the gap has grown.
    Very good. Now we are talking about facts. 7.6 million unfilled jobs but no stats on how much all those jobs pay. No problem, I can guess most of them are nothing anybody can live on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Employers have been complaining about a shortage of skilled workers in recent years, particularly workers with advanced degrees in STEM fields. Nearly ever industry now has a labor shortage, but hereís the twist: Employers are having a harder time filling blue-collar positions than professional positions that require a college education."
    I wonder what it's like to be in the working poor. I don't know. I have it good. I had good parents, got a good education, never had a problem. It must be hell to be raised by unsuccessful parents who don't know how to prepare a child for success because they don't know them selves how to be successful. And to never be told or made to understand what the three most important decisions in life are: 1. What kind of education to pursue. 2. Who to marry. 3 Whether or not to have children and when.

    Most people, lacking any better direction, rebel against their parents and want to do their own thing. Lacking good guidance and having no immediate example of how to have a good life they screw up the 3 most important decisions of their lives and set themselves into a path which is very difficult to overcome. I think we have to mold our education system into more than it is in order to make up for the lack of good parenting in the working poor.

    Education and good guidance are the solution to desperation and hopelessness. And along the way we need a big government to force greed out of capitalism with strong oversight and effective regulation. It's always a challenge, and one we have not been prevailing in. If we pursue this philosophy, we will motivate young people to better themselves and we will provide the opportunity for them to excel.

    Simply blaming the poor will not do it.

    Certainly, removing government from the free market is a disaster in the making, sure to produce extreme wealth inequality and promote the general hopelessness and despair.
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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    This is the land of opportunity Poli. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
    If folks do not take advantage of opportunity thats on them.
    Fools are born every day. If we don't do anything to wise them up then we are a nation of fools.

    That doesn't make America great.
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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Iíve lived in Oakland/SF or LA for 35 years. Itís amazing out here and the opportunities are off the chart. But yes, itís not for everyone nor do I believe we should export the California model across the country.
    Every time I visit out there I always leave with the same thought. I can't understand why anyone would live there. Great place but it has been spoiled by too many people. I just can't live that life. No more than I could live in NYC.
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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I’m not sure how what you wrote has to do with job training programs we were discussing but if your concern is government debt you support Bernie Sanders who is a supporter of MMT which states deficits do not matter and we should run high deficits to fund government programs. You just don’t like debt when it’s done by people you don’t support.
    I do not equate Bernie with irresponsible budgeting. That is propaganda from the greedy rich who don't want to pay the higher taxes required of a responsible society. Bernie says nothing about having any intention to run high deficits. He talks about taxing the wealthy to pay for responsible social programs meant to promote the general welfare.
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    Cut spending on social programs.

    The War on Poverty cost a trillion dollars and failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    Every time I visit out there I always leave with the same thought. I can't understand why anyone would live there. Great place but it has been spoiled by too many people. I just can't live that life. No more than I could live in NYC.
    I love living in the City. I have two corner stores within a two block radius. I have multiple bars and restaurants within a four block radius. I love the action and activity. I donít know what to do with myself when Iím in the suburbs or god forbid a rural area.

    However I understand why itís not for everyone and having a three year old my wife and I are having serious discussions of moving out of the City.

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    Working Class Spiraling Into Poverty

    BLUEXIT
    A Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red

    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Letís face it, guys: Weíre done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    More money for education at every level, more jobs programs and tech school funding and public funded scholarships at community colleges.
    More money for trade schools. More govt backed small business loans in urban centers. Raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations that effectively pay zero tax.
    There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?
    Quick, send those on-site researchers some computer models

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?
    Too many people with degrees? That is just ridiculous. A society flourishes with an educated populace.

    An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people." Thomas Jefferson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Cut spending on social programs.

    The War on Poverty cost a trillion dollars and failed.
    But a whore like you would starve!

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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I love living in the City. I have two corner stores within a two block radius. I have multiple bars and restaurants within a four block radius. I love the action and activity. I don’t know what to do with myself when I’m in the suburbs or god forbid a rural area.

    However I understand why it’s not for everyone and having a three year old my wife and I are having serious discussions of moving out of the City.
    Well there has to be something for everybody. Diversity makes us great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?
    Your pathological jealousy of people with degrees duly noted.

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