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    Default Are any facts disputed?

    Here we go...

    Does anyone disagree that Rudy, at Trumps direction, told Ukraine that they would not get their money unless they announced on CNN an investigation into Joe Biden?

    That at no time did Trump ask to have any corruption not related to electoral politics investigated?



    Are there any facts in dispute?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Here we go...

    Does anyone disagree that Rudy, at Trumps direction, told Ukraine that they would not get their money unless they announced on CNN an investigation into Joe Biden?

    That at no time did Trump ask to have any corruption not related to electoral politics investigated?



    Are there any facts in dispute?
    you takin the vote soon? if not, stfu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you takin the vote soon? if not, stfu.
    So you wont answer? I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So you wont answer? I understand.
    when is the impeachment vote? adam schiff isn't sure of how he'll vote. its over man. find a fainting sofa and collapse before you hurt people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    when is the impeachment vote? adam schiff isn't sure of how he'll vote. its over man. find a fainting sofa and collapse before you hurt people.
    Boo Hoo Hoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    when is the impeachment vote? adam schiff isn't sure of how he'll vote. its over man. find a fainting sofa and collapse before you hurt people.
    You think so? So its your prediction that there will be no impeachment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    when is the impeachment vote? adam schiff isn't sure of how he'll vote. its over man. find a fainting sofa and collapse before you hurt people.
    Not a single fact, my dear, from the Congressional hearings has been disputed. Not a single republican has attempted to dispute the facts that the committees have uncovered. We all know he is guilty, time for your kind to step up to the plate and man up

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Not a single fact, my dear, from the Congressional hearings has been disputed. Not a single republican has attempted to dispute the facts that the committees have uncovered. We all know he is guilty, time for your kind to step up to the plate and man up
    those people are spouting heresay and conjecture, that's not factually disputed. they're definitely doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you takin the vote soon? if not, stfu.
    Of course not, they look partisan, they know that it will give Republicans control of witnesses called, etc., and they understand that it will only hurt them in the long run as the Rs keep their incumbents locked in sessions listening to witness after witness that they don't want to hear from...

    Anyway, if they ever vote on this I will be amazed. Nancy will put it off until next year and then quietly state that we are in "election season" and they will "let the voters decide".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Of course not, they look partisan, they know that it will give Republicans control of witnesses called, etc., and they understand that it will only hurt them in the long run as the Rs keep their incumbents locked in sessions listening to witness after witness that they don't want to hear from...

    Anyway, if they ever vote on this I will be amazed. Nancy will put it off until next year and then quietly state that we are in "election season" and they will "let the voters decide".
    Maybe, but I think that would harm the Democrats more than impeaching. I do not pretend that the Democrats are not as self interested as the Republicans. I just happen to believe Trumps behavior should not go unchecked.

    I think you are wrong and will avoid admitting it after its clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Maybe, but I think that would harm the Democrats more than impeaching. I do not pretend that the Democrats are not as self interested as the Republicans. I just happen to believe Trumps behavior should not go unchecked.

    I think you are wrong and will avoid admitting it after its clear.
    Democrats are in trouble no matter what they do at this point lol.

    I don’t know what they think the Judiciary hearing is going to accomplish that Schiff’s hearing didn’t. If the needle budged at all—it went in the wrong direction for democrats. Since Impeachment is political—you know the rest.

    If I were in charge, if this hearing doesn’t change anything I’d call for a censure vote. Letting it drag on into Spring will just make things worse; an actual vote puts the democrat majority at risk; democrats will very likely NOT get two thirds in the Senate.

    Censure Trump then call Senate Republicans Russian assets or whatever. But close the deal and move on because an election is coming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Democrats are in trouble no matter what they do at this point lol.

    I don’t know what they think the Judiciary hearing is going to accomplish that Schiff’s hearing didn’t. If the needle budged at all—it went in the wrong direction for democrats. Since Impeachment is political—you know the rest.

    If I were in charge, if this hearing doesn’t change anything I’d call for a censure vote. Letting it drag on into Spring will just make things worse; an actual vote puts the democrat majority at risk; democrats will very likely NOT get two thirds in the Senate.

    Censure Trump then call Senate Republicans Russian assets or whatever. But close the deal and move on because an election is coming up.
    Politically, that might be smart. It would not be the right thing to do.

    Censure would’ve been appropriate if President Trump said oops I made a mistake and won’t do it again, instead President Trump has said I didn’t do anything wrong, and I’m gonna keep doing this kind of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Maybe, but I think that would harm the Democrats more than impeaching. I do not pretend that the Democrats are not as self interested as the Republicans. I just happen to believe Trumps behavior should not go unchecked.

    I think you are wrong and will avoid admitting it after its clear.
    How would it harm them? Will you stay home if Nancy doesn’t vote?

    Of course not

    She will come up with some lame excuse and you will declare her brilliant and wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    How would it harm them? Will you stay home if Nancy doesn’t vote?

    Of course not

    She will come up with some lame excuse and you will declare her brilliant and wise.
    There wold be plenty who would say, "Whats the point of voting."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Maybe, but I think that would harm the Democrats more than impeaching. I do not pretend that the Democrats are not as self interested as the Republicans. I just happen to believe Trumps behavior should not go unchecked.

    I think you are wrong and will avoid admitting it after its clear.
    nah. I just made a prediction. If I'm wrong then, as I said, I will be surprised. Not ashamed, surprised.
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