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    Default Two Questions For Constitutional Scholars

    1. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government can subsidize higher education?

    2. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government gets the authority to spend tax dollars on education at any level?

    My questions are fair in order to learn exactly how much constitutional scholars know about the Constitution. If they cannot, or will not, answer the questions definitively they should be shown the door.

    NOTE: Umpire Nadler will not allow the question, but I sure as hell would enjoy watching the scholars tripping over their tongues looking for answers.


    . . . the House Judiciary Committee will begin its hearings by taking testimony from four law professors: Pam Karlan, Noah Feldman, Michael Gerhardt, and Jonathan Turley. It’s easy to ridicule leading off with law professors, and it’s true that doing so isn’t the best way to capture the public’s interest.


    Law professors on parade, a guide
    by Paul Mirengoff in Academic left, Impeachment, Law
    Posted on December 3, 2019

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...de-a-guide.php

    Nadler’s first job is to order Democrats NOT to show up wearing their working cloths. No small task for Nadler who knows their uniforms are limited to Bozo costumes:

    ● Jerry Nadler, New York, Chairman
    ● Zoe Lofgren, California
    ● Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas
    ● Steve Cohen, Tennessee
    ● Hank Johnson, Georgia
    ● Ted Deutch, Florida
    ● Karen Bass, California
    ● Cedric Richmond, Louisiana
    ● Hakeem Jeffries, New York
    ● David Cicilline, Rhode Island
    ● Eric Swalwell, California
    ● Ted Lieu, California
    ● Jamie Raskin, Maryland
    ● Pramila Jayapal, Washington
    ● Val Demings, Florida
    ● Lou Correa, California
    ● Mary Gay Scanlon, Pennsylvania, Vice Chair
    ● Sylvia Garcia, Texas
    ● Joe Neguse, Colorado
    ● Lucy McBath, Georgia
    ● Greg Stanton, Arizona
    ● Madeleine Dean, Pennsylvania
    ● Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, Florida
    ● Veronica Escobar, Texas

    In any event, Nadler and his team of circus clowns will be batting against Murderers’ Row (I cannot determine which one will bat in the cleanup spot):

    ● Doug Collins, Georgia, Ranking Member
    ● Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
    ● Steve Chabot, Ohio
    ● Louie Gohmert, Texas
    ● Jim Jordan, Ohio
    ● Ken Buck, Colorado
    ● John Ratcliffe, Texas
    ● Martha Roby, Alabama
    ● Matt Gaetz, Florida
    ● Mike Johnson, Louisiana
    ● Andy Biggs, Arizona
    ● Tom McClintock, California
    ● Debbie Lesko, Arizona
    ● Guy Reschenthaler, Pennsylvania
    ● Ben Cline, Virginia
    ● Kelly Armstrong, North Dakota
    ● Greg Steube, Florida
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    A lot of laughs in last night videos:


    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Everything Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham said with humor hit the bullseye dead center.



    Sad to say Tucker and Laura forgot to include one thing about academics: EVERY PROFESSOR IS PAID TAX DOLLARS TO TEACH STUDENTS DEMOCRAT PARTY GARBAGE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    1. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government can subsidize higher education?

    2. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government gets the authority to spend tax dollars on education at any level?
    If you know nothing about the Constitution before you go to law school know this: Every professor in every law school will teach you that liberal politics guaranties a tax dollar income for life.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    7 things our founders believed about public education


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    With all of the attacks on public education recently, I wanted to know what our founding fathers thought about education.
    I found that our founders believed education was critical for democracy and avoiding an "aristocracy of wealth," that it should be available to all, that is should be free from religion and ideology, that it should be equal for all citizens, that it should be public, and that the investment was worth the cost.
    I thought it might be useful to post some of their quotes and talk about what we believe when it comes to public education.
    1. Education is critical for democracy

    Thomas Jefferson in a letter to George Wythe, 1786:
    I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowlege among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness.

    1. Education is critical for democracy (continued)
    Samuel Adams in a letter to James Warren, 1779:
    If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslav'd. This will be their great Security.

    Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William Jarvis, 1820:
    I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.
    2. Education prevents aristocracy and leads to a meritocracy
    Jefferson was almost prescient in his belief that societies tend to move toward concentrated wealth. He believed public education would create a meritocracy rather than an aristocracy.
    Autobiography of Thomas Jefferson, 1821:
    Instead of an aristocracy of wealth, of more harm and danger than benefit to society, to make an opening for the aristocracy of virtue and talent, which nature has wisely provided for the direction of the interests of society and scattered with equal hand through all its conditions, was deemed essential to a well-ordered republic.

    Thomas Jefferson's Notes on Virginia, 1782:
    By that part of our plan which prescribes the selection of the youths of genius from among the classes of the poor, we hope to avail the state of those talents which nature has sown as liberally among the poor as the rich, but which perish without use, if not sought for and cultivated.
    3. Education should be available to everyone
    Thomas Jefferson in a letter to M. Correa de Serra, 1817:
    The object [of my education bill was] to bring into action that mass of talents which lies buried in poverty in every country for want of the means of development, and thus give activity to a mass of mind which in proportion to our population shall be the double or treble of what it is in most countries.
    4. Education should be free from religion and ideology
    Thomas Jefferson in a Report to the President and Directors of the Literary Fund, 1822:
    The want of instruction in the various creeds of religious faith existing among our citizens presents... a chasm in a general institution of the useful sciences. But it was thought that this want, and the entrustment to each society of instruction in its own doctrine, were evils of less danger than a permission to the public authorities to dictate modes or principles of religious instruction, or than opportunities furnished them by giving countenance or ascendancy to any one sect over another.

    Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1822:
    After stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of their own tenets on the confines of the university, so near as that their students may attend the lectures there and have the free use of our library and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours, as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful sciences... And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of peace, reason, and morality.
    5. Education should be equal for all citizens
    This is a particularly critical belief supporting public schools. Markets lead towards "pay to play" - tiered levels of service based on what people can afford.
    Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Joseph C. Cabell, 1818:
    A system of general instruction, which shall reach every description of our citizens, from the richest to the poorest, as it was the earliest, so will it be the latest, of all the public concerns in which I shall permit myself to take an interest.
    Thomas Jefferson in a reply to the American Philosophical Society, 1808:
    I feel ... an ardent desire to see knowledge so disseminated through the mass of mankind that it may, at length, reach even the extremes of society: beggars and kings.
    6. Education should be public
    Thomas Jefferson in his 6th Annual Message:
    Education is here placed among the articles of public care, not that it would be proposed to take its ordinary branches out of the hands of private enterprise, which manages so much better all the concerns to which it is equal; but a public institution can alone supply those sciences which, though rarely called for, are yet necessary to complete the circle, all the parts of which contribute to the improvement of the country, and some of them to its preservation.
    Thomas Jefferson's Notes on Virginia, 1782:
    An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people. If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass will exceed any private resources of wealth: and public ones cannot be provided but by levies on the people. In this case every man would have to pay his own price. The government of Great-Britain has been corrupted, because but one man in ten has a right to vote for members of parliament. The sellers of the government therefore get nine-tenths of their price clear. It has been thought that corruption is restrained by confining the right of suffrage to a few of the wealthier of the people: but it would be more effectually restrained by an extension of that right to such numbers as would bid defiance to the means of corruption.
    7. Public investment in education is worth the cost

    Ben Franklin, as quoted in Exercises in English Grammar (1909) by M. A. Morse:
    If a man empties his purse into his head no man can take it from him. An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.
    John Adams from his 1776 Papers:
    Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.
    John Adams in The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States: With a Life of the Author, Notes and Illustrations, 1854:
    The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.

    What should education consist of?
    Noah Webster in On the Education of Youth in America:
    It is an object of vast magnitude that systems of education should be adopted and pursued which may not only diffuse a knowledge of the sciences but may implant in the minds of the American youth the principles of virtue and of liberty and inspire them with just and liberal ideas of government and with an inviolable attachment to their own country.

    Thomas Jefferson in a letter to J. Bannister, Jr., 1785:
    What are the objects of an useful American [college] education? Classical knowledge, modern languages, chiefly French, Spanish, and Italian; Mathematics, Natural philosophy, Natural history, Civil history, and Ethics. In Natural philosophy, I mean to include Chemistry and Agriculture, and in Natural history, to include Botany, as well as the other branches of those department

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    1. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government can subsidize higher education?

    2. Can you show me the clause in the Constitution where it says the federal government gets the authority to spend tax dollars on education at any level?

    My questions are fair in order to learn exactly how much constitutional scholars know about the Constitution. If they cannot, or will not, answer the questions definitively they should be shown the door.

    NOTE: Umpire Nadler will not allow the question, but I sure as hell would enjoy watching the scholars tripping over their tongues looking for answers.


    . . . the House Judiciary Committee will begin its hearings by taking testimony from four law professors: Pam Karlan, Noah Feldman, Michael Gerhardt, and Jonathan Turley. It’s easy to ridicule leading off with law professors, and it’s true that doing so isn’t the best way to capture the public’s interest.


    Law professors on parade, a guide
    by Paul Mirengoff in Academic left, Impeachment, Law
    Posted on December 3, 2019

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...de-a-guide.php

    Nadler’s first job is to order Democrats NOT to show up wearing their working cloths. No small task for Nadler who knows their uniforms are limited to Bozo costumes:

    ● Jerry Nadler, New York, Chairman
    ● Zoe Lofgren, California
    ● Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas
    ● Steve Cohen, Tennessee
    ● Hank Johnson, Georgia
    ● Ted Deutch, Florida
    ● Karen Bass, California
    ● Cedric Richmond, Louisiana
    ● Hakeem Jeffries, New York
    ● David Cicilline, Rhode Island
    ● Eric Swalwell, California
    ● Ted Lieu, California
    ● Jamie Raskin, Maryland
    ● Pramila Jayapal, Washington
    ● Val Demings, Florida
    ● Lou Correa, California
    ● Mary Gay Scanlon, Pennsylvania, Vice Chair
    ● Sylvia Garcia, Texas
    ● Joe Neguse, Colorado
    ● Lucy McBath, Georgia
    ● Greg Stanton, Arizona
    ● Madeleine Dean, Pennsylvania
    ● Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, Florida
    ● Veronica Escobar, Texas

    In any event, Nadler and his team of circus clowns will be batting against Murderers’ Row (I cannot determine which one will bat in the cleanup spot):

    ● Doug Collins, Georgia, Ranking Member
    ● Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
    ● Steve Chabot, Ohio
    ● Louie Gohmert, Texas
    ● Jim Jordan, Ohio
    ● Ken Buck, Colorado
    ● John Ratcliffe, Texas
    ● Martha Roby, Alabama
    ● Matt Gaetz, Florida
    ● Mike Johnson, Louisiana
    ● Andy Biggs, Arizona
    ● Tom McClintock, California
    ● Debbie Lesko, Arizona
    ● Guy Reschenthaler, Pennsylvania
    ● Ben Cline, Virginia
    ● Kelly Armstrong, North Dakota
    ● Greg Steube, Florida
    Can you show me where any of these are in the constitution, silly whore?


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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    7 things our founders believed about public education
    To evince: Not one Founder had tax dollar parasites in mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    1. Education is critical for democracy
    To evince: Not one Founder advocated democracy.

    p.s.
    Stop confusing WISDOM with tax dollar funded propaganda.



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    Can you show me where any of these are in the constitution, silly whore?


    The Air Force
    Congressional Districts
    The Electoral College
    Executive Order
    Executive Privilege
    Freedom of Expression
    (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
    God
    Immigration
    Impeachment means removal from office
    Innocent until proven guilty
    It's a free country
    Judicial Review
    Jury of Peers
    Marriage
    Martial Law
    No taxation without representation
    Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
    "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
    Paper Money
    Political Parties
    Primary Elections
    Qualifications for Judges
    The right to privacy
    The right to travel
    The right to vote
    The separation of church and state
    The Separation of Powers Clause
    Slavery
    To CharacterAssassin: Stop cluttering up my thread with smorgasbord responses. Do your own research if want to find out what the Constitution says.
    The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    To evince: Not one Founder had tax dollar parasites in mind.



    To evince: Not one Founder advocated democracy.

    p.s.
    Stop confusing WISDOM with tax dollar funded propaganda.





    To CharacterAssassin: Stop cluttering up my thread with smorgasbord responses. Do your own research if want to find out what the Constitution says.
    It's OK that you cannot face your own hypocrisy, whore.

    No one expected anything less.

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    In responding to a softball question about the difference between a president and a king, Karlan said, "Contrary to what President Trump has said, Article 2 does not give him the power to do anything he wants, and I'll just give you one example that shows you the difference between him and a king, which is the Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility, so while the president can name his son Barron, he can't make him a baron."


    Trump-hating leftists are no friends of the Constitution
    David Limbaugh is not convinced elitists respect the framers at all
    By David Limbaugh
    Published December 5, 2019 at 6:59pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/trump-ha...-constitution/


    I have a question for Karlan. How do you know Melania did not make the final decision?


    Melania Trump
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    A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.
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    For the record, Trump’s Barron had nothing to with kings.


    He was named after hotel heir, William Barron Hilton (b. October 23, 1927), son of Conrad Hilton, father of Rick Hilton and grandfather of Paris Hilton, Nicky Rothschild, Conrad Hilton, and Barron Hilton. His father, Donald Trump, also used the pseudonym "John Barron" (sometimes "John Baron") during the 1980s.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2947368/bio
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post


    Everything Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham said with humor hit the bullseye dead center.



    Sad to say Tucker and Laura forgot to include one thing about academics: EVERY PROFESSOR IS PAID TAX DOLLARS TO TEACH STUDENTS DEMOCRAT PARTY GARBAGE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.



    If you know nothing about the Constitution before you go to law school know this: Every professor in every law school will teach you that liberal politics guaranties a tax dollar income for life.
    ^Folks, you just can’t fix this kind of stupid.


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