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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I think it is exceedingly difficult to make direct comparisons between the nature of reality and knowledge in the western tradition, and the nature of reality in the eastern traditions. I do not think Siddhartha Gautama, aka the Buddha, believed in a God or deity in any conventional sense. I would not presume to speak intelligently on Buddhism, except that Siddhartha Gautama certainly considered self-reflection and self-enlightenment to be a path to knowledge and the transcendent. In that way, he was nothing like the tradition of western knowledge epitomized by Aristotle, Locke, and those natural philosophers who placed great weight on sensory perception, experience, and physical observation.
    Is morality inherent? Or learned?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Like so many lefties on this forum, he'll somehow squeeze in the claim that he's a prime example of one.
    Or claim he should be the "decider" of what is an "honest observer". The loon probably fancies himself as being above it all and the perfection of what is an "honest observer".
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Or claim he should be the "decider" of what is an "honest observer". The loon probably fancies himself as being above it all and the perfection of what is an "honest observer".
    That's how lefties work. They claim what they believe is how everyone else should view it.

    Micawber is a prime example. He claims to be more fit physically and intellectually that others on the forum yet when asked to prove his specific claims, he uses the "because I said so" argument then gets his panties in a wad when people don't agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
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    You should know by now that I only use my time here to read and interact with sentient higher life forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You should know by now that I only use my time here to read and interact with sentient higher life forms.
    Wrong; you waste your time here lying and wallowing in your echo chamber of buffoonery. Yay you!
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Again, your word; what is an "honest observer"? Who decides what is honest?
    What are the definitions? If one follows the definitions, then one comes to an honest conclusion based on ALL the facts. It (allegedly) took Buddha a good chunk his adult life to achieve such.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So you just like bloviating unintelligible semantics in an attempt to look like a fool. Got it.
    Clearly your inability to comprehend simple definitions in the language prevent you from any further mental processing or being an honest observer. All you've "got" is a printed example of your lame attempts to foist definitions that does not relate to the OP or my attempts at rational discussion with you.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You seem to imply that one does not need religion.
    Are you saying that "religion" is a need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    What are the definitions? If one follows the definitions, then one comes to an honest conclusion based on ALL the facts. It (allegedly) took Buddha a good chunk his adult life to achieve such.
    So you cannot define what you mean by "honest observer." Got it.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Clearly your inability to comprehend simple definitions in the language prevent you from any further mental processing or being an honest observer. All you've "got" is a printed example of your lame attempts to foist definitions that does not relate to the OP or my attempts at rational discussion with you.
    So "honest observer" is a term you have made up and cannot define. Got it!
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Author: Booker T. Washington



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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Are you saying that "religion" is a need?
    Without religion to guide man and provide a compass for morality, man descends to nothing more than an animal.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Without religion to guide man and provide a compass for morality, man descends to nothing more than an animal.
    First of all...I consider that to be nonsense.

    I do not need a god to tell me what is moral. If I live in society, the society can dictate what its members will or will not tolerate. The dictates of a god is superfluous.

    Second...I have no idea if you answered my question with a "yes" or a "no."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    First of all...I consider that to be nonsense.
    I do not need a god to tell me what is moral.
    God doesn't talk to anyone. The Church does. Do you believe that mortality is inherent, or is it learned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    If I live in society, the society can dictate what its members will or will not tolerate. The dictates of a god is superfluous.
    That is historically inane and absurd. The Roman society thought feeding Christians to the lions was tolerable. Were they right? The Egyptians thought enslaving people was tolerable. Were they right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Second...I have no idea if you answered my question with a "yes" or a "no."
    My answer was obvious. Read it again.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    God doesn't talk to anyone. The Church does. Do you believe that mortality is inherent, or is it learned?
    You do not even know if there IS a god...let alone what the god does or does not do. What you call "the Church" does speak about what it considers the desires of the god...what pleases and what offends it.

    I appreciate "the Church's" guesses about all that...but I do not consider it definitive.

    Are you really asking about "mortality" or are you actually asking about "morality."

    As far as I am concerned, morality is what any society says it is. That having been said, I consider some societies to be pieces of shit...and the "morality" they allow to be suspect, at best.





    That is historically inane and absurd. The Roman society thought feeding Christians to the lions was tolerable. Were they right? The Egyptians thought enslaving people was tolerable. Were they right?
    Yeah, they were right for them.

    The Americans of the American south less than two hundred years ago claimed the god of Christianity gave them leave to buy and sell black humans as slaves. They cited passages from the Bible to fortify their claim.

    Were they right?

    They may or may not have been...but we humans are the judges of morality. WE set the "you may not do that or you will be punished" rules that form the morality.

    My answer was obvious. Read it again.
    It would have been a hell of a lot more "obvious" if you had written "yes" or "no."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    In a world were one person's religion is another person's fantasy, and one person's fantasy is another person's reality, the only sane person is the honest observer.
    the idea that you are an honest observer is your fantasy........
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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