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    In a world were one person's religion is another person's fantasy, and one person's fantasy is another person's reality, the only sane person is the honest observer.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    In a world were one person's religion is another person's fantasy, and one person's fantasy is another person's reality, the only sane person is the honest observer.
    ^^ A discourse about the nature of true knowledge that has been going on since at least the 5th century B.C.

    Aristotle would maintain that observation of the natural world, observation with our sensory perception is the path to true knowledge.

    Plato maintained that true knowledge was found through contemplation of the transcendent, that knowledge was not to be found in observation because our senses are a filter on reality.

    John Locke would maintain that experience and empiricism is the correct trajectory to knowledge.
    Descartes would assert that truth is innate and attainable through rationalism, reason, and contemplation. Because our senses can deceive us.

    I myself find a lot of value in Tolstoy's take on things.

    "The only thing that we know is that we know nothing, and that is the highest flight of human wisdom.”

    ― Leo Tolstoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    ^^ A discourse about the nature of true knowledge that has been going on since at least the 5th century B.C.

    Aristotle would maintain that observation of the natural world, observation with our sensory perception is the path to true knowledge.

    Plato maintained that true knowledge was found through contemplation of the transcendent, that knowledge was not to be found in observation because our senses are a filter on reality.

    John Locke would maintain that experience and empiricism is the correct trajectory to knowledge.
    Descartes would assert that truth is innate and attainable through rationalism, reason, and contemplation. Because our senses can deceive us.

    I myself find a lot of value in Tolstoy's take on things.
    And yet, Buddha's path to enlightenment was through observation and contemplation to reach the honesty within one's self in relation to nature, the Universe (and perhaps a diety?)
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    In a world were one person's religion is another person's fantasy, and one person's fantasy is another person's reality, the only sane person is the honest observer.
    In a world where there is no religion or moral leadership, you have societal decline and despotic leaders who murder their own citizens.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
    Author: Booker T. Washington



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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And yet, Buddha's path to enlightenment was through observation and contemplation to reach the honesty within one's self in relation to nature, the Universe (and perhaps a diety?)
    Morality is not inherent; it is learned.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
    Author: Booker T. Washington



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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    In a world where there is no religion or moral leadership, you have societal decline and despotic leaders who murder their own citizens.
    And since I advocated neither as you suggest, your statement has no relevance.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Morality is not inherent; it is learned.
    I never stated anything was inherent.. again, your statement is irrelevant.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And since I advocated neither as you suggest, your statement has no relevance.
    Define honest observer.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    I never stated anything was inherent.. again, your statement is irrelevant.
    You seem to imply that one does not need religion.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Define honest observer.
    Per Merriam-Webster

    honesty a: adherence to the facts : SINCERITY
    doubted the honesty of the witness
    b: fairness and straightforwardness of conduct
    calling for honesty in politics

    observer a: a representative sent to observe but not participate officially in an activity (such as a meeting or war)
    b: an expert analyst and commentator in a particular field
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You seem to imply that one does not need religion.
    your interpretation....re-read and reflect, contemplate. I point to conflicting attitudes. Think it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Per Merriam-Webster

    honesty a: adherence to the facts : SINCERITY
    doubted the honesty of the witness
    b: fairness and straightforwardness of conduct
    calling for honesty in politics

    observer a: a representative sent to observe but not participate officially in an activity (such as a meeting or war)
    b: an expert analyst and commentator in a particular field
    Again, your word; what is an "honest observer"? Who decides what is honest?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    your interpretation....re-read and reflect, contemplate. I point to conflicting attitudes. Think it through.
    So you just like bloviating unintelligible semantics in an attempt to look like a fool. Got it.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And yet, Buddha's path to enlightenment was through observation and contemplation to reach the honesty within one's self in relation to nature, the Universe (and perhaps a diety?)
    I think it is exceedingly difficult to make direct comparisons between the nature of reality and knowledge in the western tradition, and the nature of reality in the eastern traditions. I do not think Siddhartha Gautama, aka the Buddha, believed in a God or deity in any conventional sense. I would not presume to speak intelligently on Buddhism, except that Siddhartha Gautama certainly considered self-reflection and self-enlightenment to be a path to knowledge and the transcendent. In that way, he was nothing like the tradition of western knowledge epitomized by Aristotle, Locke, and those natural philosophers who placed great weight on sensory perception, experience, and physical observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Define honest observer.
    Like so many lefties on this forum, he'll somehow squeeze in the claim that he's a prime example of one.

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