American Indians

[OG Yurt]

I love how liberals/democrats embrace such a misnomer.

Idiots.

[StoneByStone]

I love how liberals/democrats embrace such a misnomer.

Idiots.

[Minister of Truth]

I love how liberals/democrats embrace such a misnomer.

Idiots.

I'm surprised they actually use American Indian now, instead of Native American. Seems like a huge compromise for leftists.

[moon]

North Americans is a far better name. It differentiates them from the later European immigrants.

[Controlled Opposition]

Everyone is a native of someplace. I was born here, therefore I am a native.

[moon]

Everyone is a native of someplace. I was born here, therefore I am a native.

You're not an indigenous American. Yes, you're native by birth- but not of origin. The First Nations are indigenous.

[USFREEDOM911]

You're not an indigenous American. Yes, you're native by birth- but not of origin. The First Nations are indigenous.

Untrue; because it's been proven that they also immigrated from elsewhere.

[moon]

Untrue; because it's been proven that they also immigrated from elsewhere.

Asia, by most accounts- but the First Nations are exactly that- ' here first '- ergo ' indigenous '.

[USFREEDOM911]

Asia, by most accounts- but the First Nations are exactly that- ' here first '- ergo ' indigenous '.

Not necessarily, seeing as how it's been shown that there were others here first; ie. the Clovis people.

[Controlled Opposition]

You're not an indigenous American. Yes, you're native by birth- but not of origin. The First Nations are indigenous.

Are you truly English?

[moon]

Are you truly English?

You think if I was born in England then I'd be English ? Sure, I'd be a native of England.
Who were the real ' English ' though ? There aren't any such people. England has been conquered many times over- so there are no indigenous ' English ' as there are indigenous North Americans.
Same with most European countries. The Europeans well and truly fucked each other over before they went a-sailing and fucked over everybody else.

[moon]

Not necessarily, seeing as how it's been shown that there were others here first; ie. the Clovis people.

We're talking about the ' Clovis people '- the first inhabitants of North America- the indigenous Americans simply because there is no evidence of any other people prior to them. They are the ancestors of the North American Indian tribes- anthropology tells us.

[Controlled Opposition]

[QUOTE=moon;3372063]You think if I was born in England then I'd be English ? Sure, I'd be a native of England.
Who were the real ' English ' though ? There aren't any such people. England has been conquered many times over- so there are no indigenous ' English ' as there are indigenous North Americans.
Same with most European countries. The Europeans well and truly fucked each other over before they went a-sailing and fucked over everybody else.[/QUOTE

You seem to argue that there are no true natives. I agree.

[moon]

[QUOTE=Controlled Opposition;3372070]

You think if I was born in England then I'd be English ? Sure, I'd be a native of England.
Who were the real ' English ' though ? There aren't any such people. England has been conquered many times over- so there are no indigenous ' English ' as there are indigenous North Americans.
Same with most European countries. The Europeans well and truly fucked each other over before they went a-sailing and fucked over everybody else.[/QUOTE

You seem to argue that there are no true natives. I agree.

To the contrary- I'm pointing out that there are indigenous North Americans - the truly native Americans- and there are Europeans claiming native status by birth. That's OK- as long as the palefaces don't think that they're the real North Americans.

[USFREEDOM911]

We're talking about the ' Clovis people '- the first inhabitants of North America- the indigenous Americans simply because there is no evidence of any other people prior to them. They are the ancestors of the North American Indian tribes- anthropology tells us.

But your conclusion is a fallacy; because the Clovis people are not and never were what is now referred to as "Native Americans" because while they have a limited DNA connection, through "relationships", the Clovis people disappeared during the time that immigration was occurring, during a later time, over the frozen bearing sea.