Fiona Hill Tells The Nation They’ve Been Lied to By Trump and The GOP

**Blackwater Lunchbreak** · 11-22-2019, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by TTQ64

Fuck off.......grown folks are talking.

you mean the jibber jabber from the Alzheimer's ward?

**PoliTalker** · 11-22-2019, 02:01 PM

Hello Cinnabar,

Originally Posted by Cinnabar

And which of the candidates even dare to speak about getting the money out of politics?

None currently. The above plan is no quick-fix. Granted it will take a long time just like every other major advancement did. Like I said, start small, work your way up. This is not going to sweep the nation from the top down like Trump. No. It's bottom up. Here there. Little here, little there, one community at a time. That's who it becomes a national issue. The issue has to 'pay it's dues.' First, these anti-corruption acts have to be passed in cities and counties. Then States, then DC.

Really, the question then becomes which local candidates are willing to stand AGAINST an anti-corruption act?

Nobody wants to take that stand. So these things will pass. 90% of America thinks there's too much money in politics. They just don't know how to fix it. Now we know how.

**Blackwater Lunchbreak** · 11-22-2019, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by TTQ64

LOL........YUP

They have been taught that Blacks and other minorities don't pay taxes. Only white people and corporation do.

They don't want tax dollars going to the government to help Blacks and illegals.

They are brainwashed..........the whole lot of them.

who do you want for the dems?

**Cinnabar** · 11-22-2019, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by PoliTalker

Hello Cinnabar,

None currently. The above plan is no quick-fix. Granted it will take a long time just like every other major advancement did. Like I said, start small, work your way up. This is not going to sweep the nation from the top down like Trump. No. It's bottom up. Here there. Little here, little there, one community at a time. That's who it becomes a national issue. The issue has to 'pay it's dues.' First, these anti-corruption acts have to be passed in cities and counties. Then States, then DC.

Really, the question then becomes which local candidates are willing to stand AGAINST an anti-corruption act?

Nobody wants to take that stand. So these things will pass. 90% of America thinks there's too much money in politics. They just don't know how to fix it. Now we know how.

**TTQ64** · 11-22-2019, 02:07 PM

Cinnabar.........perfect example of my previous post.

"The above plan is no quick-fix. Granted it will take a long time just like every other major advancement did".

It's really fucking simple........if you don't pass legislation to get money out of politics........YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.

Stop with the excuses and the "individual states" BS. It's the people who decide, not the politicans.

**Cinnabar** · 11-22-2019, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by TTQ64

Cinnabar.........perfect example of my previous post.

"The above plan is no quick-fix. Granted it will take a long time just like every other major advancement did".

It's really fucking simple........if you don't pass legislation to get money out of politics........YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.

Stop with the excuses and the "individual states" BS. It's the people who decide, not the politicans.

But the people are supporting the Progressives who will make the changes, but the MSM will not even acknowledge that.

**TTQ64** · 11-22-2019, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AssHatZombie

who do you want for the dems?

None of them are really speaking my language, but I would NEVER vote republican so who ever gets the nomination I will vote for.

If I had to chose it would be Booker or Warren.

My ultimate would be:

Michelle Obama
Al Sharpton
Bryan Stevenson
Michelle Alexander
Eric Holder

Hell, I'd take the shit off the bottom of Oprah's shoes over who we have now.

Just to name a few

**TTQ64** · 11-22-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cinnabar

But the people are supporting the Progressives who will make the changes, but the MSM will not even acknowledge that.

Fuck the media.

Actions speak louder than words.......show each and every candidate, if they don't vote to change finance laws....vote them out.

If they keep their jobs.......THAT'S WHAT AMERICA WANTS.

Not enough people support the change.

**jimmymccready** · 11-22-2019, 02:34 PM

This may explain part of the problem with Ukraine.

"If I Understood Ukraine"
--by Devin Nunes

I could wile away the hours
Discussing Jennie Flowers
Or yanking Adam's chain.
With the stuff I've been fixin
I could be another Nixon
If I understood Ukraine.

I will start each day's proceeding
Intention'ly misleading
And then I'll just complain.
I'm confused and confuddled
It's so messy and so muddled,
And I just don't get Ukraine.

Oh I, can't tell you why,
Donald Trump talked to that guy,
And I know that it is not my job to pry,
But I can lie. And lie and lie.

Well, I used to have the gavel
And could gripe, and grouse, and cavil,
Pretending to explain.
But since just last November
All I am's a Ranking Member,
Who just doesn't get Ukraine.

**Cinnabar** · 11-22-2019, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by TTQ64

Fuck the media.

Actions speak louder than words.......show each and every candidate, if they don't vote to change finance laws....vote them out.

If they keep their jobs.......THAT'S WHAT AMERICA WANTS.

Not enough people support the change.

But many are supporting Biden and Buttigieg because they rely upon MSM and MSN is pushing the status quo.

**TTQ64** · 11-22-2019, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Cinnabar

But many are supporting Biden and Buttigieg because they rely upon MSM and MSN is pushing the status quo.

Then, like President Obama said.......American isn't ready.

**Cinnabar** · 11-22-2019, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by TTQ64

Then, like President Obama said.......American isn't ready.

They are ready but many are not informed and Obama should be informing them as opposed to dissing the change he ran on.

**TTQ64** · 11-22-2019, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cinnabar

They are ready but many are not informed and Obama should be informing them as opposed to dissing the change he ran on.

LOL.....Funny.

It's President Obama fault the media lies and white america believes it?

White america isn't ready for change........if they were, we'd be a different america.

You can't lay this at the feet of anyone but you're fellow americans.

**Nordberg** · 11-22-2019, 03:35 PM

All the Dem candidates have pushed for some kind of campaign financing reform. https://theintercept.com/2018/12/02/...n-finance-hr1/ Want money out of politics, then do not vote for Republicans. They love this system.

**Centerleftfl** · 11-23-2019, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nordberg

All the Dem candidates have pushed for some kind of campaign financing reform. https://theintercept.com/2018/12/02/...n-finance-hr1/ Want money out of politics, then do not vote for Republicans. They love this system.

They know the tsunami of DEMOGRAPGICs are going to roll over them. They are GRABBING and consolidating as much power as they can hold on to it. Buy it, legislate it, knock as MANY voters out of the way for as long as they can get away with it to hold onto power.

Guess they don't have kids or have so much money their kids will be able to wall themselves in white enclaves and NEVER have to deal with the rest of 'those others'. Unless those others are mowing their lawns, cleaning their houses or wiping their or their rich parents asses should they end up in the hospitals or nursing homes.