ChickFilA reverses position and gives religious conservatards the middle finger!!

[Iolo/Penderyn]

So people voluntarily work hard just to live in a cave and eat grass????

Already have. Karl Marx is a socialist. Marxism is socialism. Marx advocates either communism of fascism (on the road to communism). Since socialism is theft of wealth, it can only be implemented by dictatorships and oligarchies.

No thanks.


You are describing socialism, not capitalism.

North Korea, Cuba, Argentina,... shall I go on?

A copy of the Communist Manifesto, in English.

No, as you'll remember well, the people who lived in caves lived pretty well - they didn't have capitalist lice on their backs. Marx explains that control by the working class is inevitable if any further human progress is to happen: you are quacking like a duck again: do try not to talk total crap - it's boring. All the countries you mention, like your own and all others, are of course capitalists, run by an exploiting class of lice at the expense of working people. If you are too drunk to know what you are talking about, do go to bed and sleep it off.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Marxism forces everyone to be slaves. That's what you resent about liberalism. Not only is no one socially or legally relegated to mandatory serfdom, but, that it isn't 100% forced enslavement. But, that's why they call it totalitarianism.

Do go and read some Marx, kiddiewinkie You are simply showing yourself as an ignorant, brainwashed fool.

[Minister of Truth]

Do go and read some Marx, kiddiewinkie You are simply showing yourself as an ignorant, brainwashed fool.

You are simply showing yourself to be irrelevant, like every other Marxist.

[Charoite]

Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
So people voluntarily work hard just to live in a cave and eat grass????

Already have. Karl Marx is a socialist. Marxism is socialism. Marx advocates either communism of fascism (on the road to communism). Since socialism is theft of wealth, it can only be implemented by dictatorships and oligarchies.

No thanks.


You are describing socialism, not capitalism.

North Korea, Cuba, Argentina,... shall I go on?

A copy of the Communist Manifesto, in English.

This is nonsense. Would you people learn the difference between communist dictatorships and the countries we try to emulate for once in a lifetime already. Here's one gigantic detail a few of those countries you talk about has. The people can't leave and live under what could easily be considered oppressive rule. Those are communist and despotic nations. Guess what has nothing of the sort. You can live there, you can leave there, you can have dual citizenship while you're there. Communism and socialism are not the same things no matter how many times you say it.

[Mason Melchizedek]

This is nonsense. Would you people learn the difference between communist dictatorships and the countries we try to emulate for once in a lifetime already. Here's one gigantic detail a few of those countries you talk about has. The people can't leave and live under what could easily be considered oppressive rule. Those are communist and despotic nations. Guess what has nothing of the sort. You can live there, you can leave there, you can have dual citizenship while you're there. Communism and socialism are not the same things no matter how many times you say it.

They are stuck in the 50's!

[Iolo/Penderyn]

You are simply showing yourself to be irrelevant, like every other Marxist.

I think this quotation from Francis Wheen is relevant to you antediluvian McCarthyites:

'For the West during the Cold War, he' (Marx) 'was the demonic begetter of all evil, the founder of an awesomely sinister cult, the man whose baleful influence must be suppressed. In the Soviet Union of the 1950s has assumed the status of a secular God with Lenin as John the Baptist and, of course, Comrade Stalin himself as the redeeming Messiah. This alone has been quite enough to convict Marx as an accomplice in the massacres and purges: had he lived a few years longer, by now some enterprising journalist would probably have fingered him as the prime suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders too. But why? Marx himself certainly never asked to be included in the Holy Trinity, and would have been appalled by the crimes committed in his name. The bastard creeds espoused by Stalin, Mao or Kim Il Sung treated his work rather as modern Christians use the Old Testament: much of it simply ignored or discarded, while a few resonant slogans ("opium of the people", "dictatorship of the proletariat") are wrenched out of context, turned upside down and then cited as apparently divine justification for the most brutal inhumanities. Kipling, as so often, had the right phrase;

"He that has a Gospel
To loose upon Mankind,
Though he serve it utterly =
Body, soul and mind -
Though he go to Calvary
Daily for its gain -
It is his Disciple
Shall make his labour vain".

Only a fool could hold Marx responsible for the Gulag; but there is, alas, a ready supply of fools.'

Hope that is not too hard for you.

[Into the Night]

No, as you'll remember well, the people who lived in caves lived pretty well

I wouldn't know. Neither would you.

- they didn't have capitalist lice on their backs.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Lice are not an economic system.

Marx explains that control by the working class is inevitable if any further human progress is to happen:

Guess you never had time to read the Communist Manifesto I linked for you, did you?

Why should I give up what I worked for, just to satisfy someone who didn't? If I happen to have built up my own business, hired employees to help run that business, etc. Why should I be required to give what I built to someone else? I know the business and the market. The employees don't.

you are quacking like a duck again:

No, that would be YOU. Inversion fallacy.

do try not to talk total crap - it's boring.

YALIFNAP.

All the countries you mention, like your own and all others,

I don't own any countries.

are of course capitalists,

North Korea is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
Argentina is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
China is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by an oligarchy.
Cuba is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.

run by an exploiting class of lice at the expense of working people.

That is socialism.

If you are too drunk to know what you are talking about, do go to bed and sleep it off.

YALIFNAP.

[Into the Night]

Do go and read some Marx, kiddiewinkie You are simply showing yourself as an ignorant, brainwashed fool.

Do go read the copy of the Communist Manifesto that I provided you the link for.

[Into the Night]

This is nonsense. Would you people learn the difference between communist dictatorships and the countries we try to emulate for once in a lifetime already. Here's one gigantic detail a few of those countries you talk about has. The people can't leave and live under what could easily be considered oppressive rule. Those are communist and despotic nations. Guess what has nothing of the sort. You can live there, you can leave there, you can have dual citizenship while you're there. Communism and socialism are not the same things no matter how many times you say it.

Communism is one form of socialism.

[Into the Night]

They are stuck in the 50's!

Non-sequitur fallacy. Communism is communism. Socialism is socialism. Nothing was different in the 50's.

[Into the Night]

I think this quotation from Francis Wheen is relevant to you antediluvian McCarthyites:

'For the West during the Cold War, he' (Marx) 'was the demonic begetter of all evil, the founder of an awesomely sinister cult, the man whose baleful influence must be suppressed. In the Soviet Union of the 1950s has assumed the status of a secular God with Lenin as John the Baptist and, of course, Comrade Stalin himself as the redeeming Messiah. This alone has been quite enough to convict Marx as an accomplice in the massacres and purges: had he lived a few years longer, by now some enterprising journalist would probably have fingered him as the prime suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders too. But why? Marx himself certainly never asked to be included in the Holy Trinity, and would have been appalled by the crimes committed in his name. The bastard creeds espoused by Stalin, Mao or Kim Il Sung treated his work rather as modern Christians use the Old Testament: much of it simply ignored or discarded, while a few resonant slogans ("opium of the people", "dictatorship of the proletariat") are wrenched out of context, turned upside down and then cited as apparently divine justification for the most brutal inhumanities. Kipling, as so often, had the right phrase;

"He that has a Gospel
To loose upon Mankind,
Though he serve it utterly =
Body, soul and mind -
Though he go to Calvary
Daily for its gain -
It is his Disciple
Shall make his labour vain".

Only a fool could hold Marx responsible for the Gulag; but there is, alas, a ready supply of fools.'

Hope that is not too hard for you.

Irrelevant. Strawman fallacy. McCarthy has nothing to do with what socialism and communism is.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Non-sequitur fallacy. Communism is communism. Socialism is socialism. Nothing was different in the 50's.

The difference was people feared Communism in the 50's

[Minister of Truth]

I think this quotation from Francis Wheen is relevant to you antediluvian McCarthyites:

'For the West during the Cold War, he' (Marx) 'was the demonic begetter of all evil, the founder of an awesomely sinister cult, the man whose baleful influence must be suppressed. In the Soviet Union of the 1950s has assumed the status of a secular God with Lenin as John the Baptist and, of course, Comrade Stalin himself as the redeeming Messiah. This alone has been quite enough to convict Marx as an accomplice in the massacres and purges: had he lived a few years longer, by now some enterprising journalist would probably have fingered him as the prime suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders too. But why? Marx himself certainly never asked to be included in the Holy Trinity, and would have been appalled by the crimes committed in his name. The bastard creeds espoused by Stalin, Mao or Kim Il Sung treated his work rather as modern Christians use the Old Testament: much of it simply ignored or discarded, while a few resonant slogans ("opium of the people", "dictatorship of the proletariat") are wrenched out of context, turned upside down and then cited as apparently divine justification for the most brutal inhumanities. Kipling, as so often, had the right phrase;

"He that has a Gospel
To loose upon Mankind,
Though he serve it utterly =
Body, soul and mind -
Though he go to Calvary
Daily for its gain -
It is his Disciple
Shall make his labour vain".

Only a fool could hold Marx responsible for the Gulag; but there is, alas, a ready supply of fools.'

Hope that is not too hard for you.

Marx is responsible for the Gulag, and for every crime ever committed against the bourgeoisie in the name of communist revolution.

He is responsible for far more deaths than was Joseph McCarthy (i.e. more than zero), I should point-out. My boogieman is far more evil than yours, it would seem.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I wouldn't know. Neither would you.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Lice are not an economic system.

Guess you never had time to read the Communist Manifesto I linked for you, did you?

Why should I give up what I worked for, just to satisfy someone who didn't? If I happen to have built up my own business, hired employees to help run that business, etc. Why should I be required to give what I built to someone else? I know the business and the market. The employees don't.


No, that would be YOU. Inversion fallacy.

YALIFNAP.

I don't own any countries.

North Korea is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
Argentina is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
China is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by an oligarchy.
Cuba is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.


That is socialism.

YALIFNAP.

I read the Manifesto when I was fourteen, child. You are just quacking, all through this: you are so brainwashed you can't begin to think or argue. A system of robbery is obviously an economic system, and as we produce more and more, we can apparently afford more and more lice, even ones who contribute to JPP

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Irrelevant. Strawman fallacy. McCarthy has nothing to do with what socialism and communism is.

Jesus, aren't you THICK! You are a waste of time. Bye.