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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    Yes, the people have their own interests at heart. Not the interests of the central committee, or those of the party at-large, or those of retarded Marxist ideologues such as yourself. You want people to choose a slavish devotion to your grand ideology, its parties, and their central committees, rather than to themselves and their families. That is not going to happen (except in North Korea), nor should it happen.

    Since you would prefer that people not get a living, it kind of ruins your whole argument about class.
    What are you on about now? McCarthy very fully brainwashed you mugs against magic words. You manage to believe grimly, determinedly and against all the evidence, that I believe in State Capitalism, which rather limits discussion: it is like talking to someone who is meanwhile bashing his brains out on a bog wall. Without you scumbags people could live much better on a few hours work a week, but most people prefer to be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No, you are describing socialism again. You really seem to be confused about the difference between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism is the only economic system that creates wealth. Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth.
    Capitalists =vermin, socialists = working people. Trumpers are people who live a century ago. Coming down for the trees, living in caves, learning agriculture and creative thieving are all necessary states in human evolution: we'd be there now but for you primitives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    A monopoly has nothing to do with either socialism or capitalism. It is just a monopoly. There is no such thing as a government monopoly.
    Capitalism inevitably results in monopoly, as you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nazis are socialists. Capitalism is control by the vast working majority. You have it exactly backwards.
    As you know, the Nazis saved German capitalism, paid for by German big business. When did capitalists care about a few million Jews and such!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Capitalists =vermin, socialists + working people. Trumpers are people who live a century ago. Coming down for the trees, living in caves, learning agriculture and creative thieving are all necessary states in human evolution: we'd be there now but for you primitives.
    The “working people” in Socialist Venezuela are starving and leaving the country in search of food...and freedom, Marxist America hating Iolo sock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    What are you on about now? McCarthy very fully brainwashed you mugs against magic words. You manage to believe grimly, determinedly and against all the evidence, that I believe in State Capitalism, which rather limits discussion: it is like talking to someone who is meanwhile bashing his brains out on a bog wall. Without you scumbags people could live much better on a few hours work a week, but most people prefer to be useful.
    There is no such thing as 'State capitalism'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Capitalists =vermin, socialists = working people.
    Again you have it exactly backwards.
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    Trumpers are people who live a century ago.
    No, Trump is the President of the United States today. He wasn't alive a century ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Coming down for the trees, living in caves, learning agriculture and creative thieving are all necessary states in human evolution:
    What evolution? None of these activities causes a change in humans themselves.
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    we'd be there now but for you primitives.
    We generally don't live in trees, we generally don't live in caves, and our agriculture techniques are quite good and have been for a long time.

    What tree have YOU been living in??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Capitalism inevitably results in monopoly, as you know.
    No, it does not. Mon9opolies that form are eventually destroyed anyway by capitalism. All it takes is for someone to come up with a better idea than that old dinosaur of a company.

    There was a monopoly in the United States by Ford until someone came along and built a better car.
    There was a monopoly of computers by IBM until someone came along and built the first minicomputer, and then the first personal computer after that.
    There was a monopoly of semiconductors by Intel until AMD and the ARM foundation showed up.
    There was a monopoly of aircraft engines by the Wright Bros until others started making them.
    There was a monopoly of operating system software by Microsoft until Apple and Linux Torvald.
    Capitalism creates wealth. There is no 'zero sum game'.

    The only way for a monopoly to stay a monopoly is for a government to become socialist and dictate that company to be a monopoly by law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    As you know, the Nazis saved German capitalism,
    Nazis were socialists. They knew they were socialists. That's why they called it the National Socialist German Worker's party. The actual German worker suffered under it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    paid for by German big business.
    WRONG. German businesses operations were STOLEN by the government. The government told them what they could sell, who they could sell to, when they could sell it, who they could buy their raw materials from, when they could buy it, and even who they could hire to produce the product. The owners, having no say, still owned the companies of course and took all the risk for the government screwups.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    When did capitalists care about a few million Jews and such!
    Since they were customers and suppliers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    What are you on about now? McCarthy very fully brainwashed you mugs against magic words. You manage to believe grimly, determinedly and against all the evidence, that I believe in State Capitalism, which rather limits discussion: it is like talking to someone who is meanwhile bashing his brains out on a bog wall. Without you scumbags people could live much better on a few hours work a week, but most people prefer to be useful.
    Market liberalism allows individuals the freedom to look after their own self-interest without having those interests subverted by the oligarchs, monarch, military, or central committee.

    I don't think you believe in state capitalism, because that is just a sham label. You are still a committed Marxist who has never had to oversee a five-year plan. State capitalism is just a reality that such entities as the CCP have pragmatically adopted, because they recognize that fascism is superior to Marxism, and obviously aren't going to liberalize their societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Again you have it exactly backwards.

    No, Trump is the President of the United States today. He wasn't alive a century ago.

    What evolution? None of these activities causes a change in humans themselves.


    We generally don't live in trees, we generally don't live in caves, and our agriculture techniques are quite good and have been for a long time.

    What tree have YOU been living in??
    I think you are probably living nearer a thousand years ago. How is your cave? People didn't live in caves a thousand years ago? Your people did, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Durham View Post
    Market liberalism allows individuals the freedom to look after their own self-interest without having those interests subverted by the oligarchs, monarch, military, or central committee.

    I don't think you believe in state capitalism, because that is just a sham label. You are still a committed Marxist who has never had to oversee a five-year plan. State capitalism is just a reality that such entities as the CCP have pragmatically adopted, because they recognize that fascism is superior to Marxism, and obviously aren't going to liberalize their societies.
    Market liberalism forces the vast majority of people to live like slaves, on grass if at all possible. You ought to read Marx one of these days if you are allowed to. All capitalism. child, is the rule of an exploitive class that lives off those who do all the work, and there are no non-capitalist countries in the world, as you know. Do stop quacking like a duck and read what people write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    I think you are probably living nearer a thousand years ago. How is your cave? People didn't live in caves a thousand years ago? Your people did, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Market liberalism forces the vast majority of people to live like slaves, on grass if at all possible.
    So people voluntarily work hard just to live in a cave and eat grass????
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    You ought to read Marx one of these days if you are allowed to.
    Already have. Karl Marx is a socialist. Marxism is socialism. Marx advocates either communism of fascism (on the road to communism). Since socialism is theft of wealth, it can only be implemented by dictatorships and oligarchies.

    No thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    All capitalism. child, is the rule of an exploitive class that lives off those who do all the work,
    You are describing socialism, not capitalism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    and there are no non-capitalist countries in the world, as you know.
    North Korea, Cuba, Argentina,... shall I go on?
    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Do stop quacking like a duck and read what people write.
    A copy of the Communist Manifesto, in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Market liberalism forces the vast majority of people to live like slaves, on grass if at all possible. You ought to read Marx one of these days if you are allowed to. All capitalism. child, is the rule of an exploitive class that lives off those who do all the work, and there are no non-capitalist countries in the world, as you know. Do stop quacking like a duck and read what people write.
    Marxism forces everyone to be slaves. That's what you resent about liberalism. Not only is no one socially or legally relegated to mandatory serfdom, but, that it isn't 100% forced enslavement. But, that's why they call it totalitarianism.

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