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I insulted the RW morons.

No, you make a mockery of yourself you sad, pathetic, low IQ, lying leftist moron on steroids.


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Facts. Refute them, Gboy.

Fake fallacy

LSMFT

Void argument fallacy. A fact is not a void.

[artichoke]

State laws too. The 2nd amendment is binding upon the States. In addition, most State constitutions have similar statements in them.

The 2nd Amendment is provably a protection of the states and the individual against the federal government. It absolutely does not apply to the states. That is a myth.

[domer76]

Void argument fallacy. A fact is not a void.

Fake fallacy.

LSMFT

[Into the Night]

The 2nd Amendment is provably a protection of the states and the individual against the federal government. It absolutely does not apply to the states. That is a myth.

The 2nd amendment discusses two rights. The right of a State to defend itself, and the right of the individual to defend himself.

States defend themselves using militias. The organized militia of the State of Washington currently has 75 members.
Individual defend themselves with arms (weapons).

The 2nd amendment is binding up on the States. Each State is also prevented by this same amendment from implementing any infringement on the rights of people to defend themselves (even against a rogue State government agent). It always has been so since there has been a 2nd amendment.
Most States themselves echo this same right of self defense in their own constitutions.

The right of self defense is inherent. It is not given by any piece of paper. It DOES specifically prohibit the federal or any State government from messing with it.

A State must observe the right of self defense. Whether such a statement exists in their own constitutions or not is simply redundancy.

As far as a 'proof', proofs only exist in closed functional systems, such as mathematics or logic.

Several parts of the Constitution are binding upon the States. The guarantee of a republican form of government in each State, for example (one that has a constitution). Another is the method of electing the President of the United States through the use of an electoral college. Another is the method each State must use in selecting Congressmen. Another is the 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments. The State cannot quarter troops (members of the organized militias) in your home either. The State must conform to certain rights in any trial. The State cannot compel you to testify against yourself among them. The 6th amendment also applies. You have the right to a speedy trial in any State. The 7th and 8th amendments also apply. So do the 9th and 10th. Indeed, most of the amendments apply to the States as well as the federal government. They cannot practice slavery. They cannot ignore the right of the federal government to protect its own borders.

One that does not apply is the 1st amendment. It applies only to Congress (that is, the federal government). Each State can limit speech, impose religious requirements for office, or any of a number of things. States today do impose limits on speech (the 'fire in a crowded theater laws', for example). No State is currently requiring a religious affiliation for holding a State office, but they can if they modify their own constitutions to do so. Currently, there is no significant movement in any State desiring to do so.

There are some here that believe the courts have applied 'incorporation laws' upon the States. They are wrong. No court has the authority to change or interpret the Constitution of the United States.

[artichoke]

The 2nd amendment discusses two rights. The right of a State to defend itself, and the right of the individual to defend himself.

States defend themselves using militias. The organized militia of the State of Washington currently has 75 members.
Individual defend themselves with arms (weapons).

The 2nd amendment is binding up on the States. Each State is also prevented by this same amendment from implementing any infringement on the rights of people to defend themselves (even against a rogue State government agent). It always has been so since there has been a 2nd amendment.
Most States themselves echo this same right of self defense in their own constitutions.

The right of self defense is inherent. It is not given by any piece of paper. It DOES specifically prohibit the federal or any State government from messing with it.

A State must observe the right of self defense. Whether such a statement exists in their own constitutions or not is simply redundancy.

As far as a 'proof', proofs only exist in closed functional systems, such as mathematics or logic.

Several parts of the Constitution are binding upon the States. The guarantee of a republican form of government in each State, for example (one that has a constitution). Another is the method of electing the President of the United States through the use of an electoral college. Another is the method each State must use in selecting Congressmen. Another is the 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments. The State cannot quarter troops (members of the organized militias) in your home either. The State must conform to certain rights in any trial. The State cannot compel you to testify against yourself among them. The 6th amendment also applies. You have the right to a speedy trial in any State. The 7th and 8th amendments also apply. So do the 9th and 10th. Indeed, most of the amendments apply to the States as well as the federal government. They cannot practice slavery. They cannot ignore the right of the federal government to protect its own borders.

One that does not apply is the 1st amendment. It applies only to Congress (that is, the federal government). Each State can limit speech, impose religious requirements for office, or any of a number of things. States today do impose limits on speech (the 'fire in a crowded theater laws', for example). No State is currently requiring a religious affiliation for holding a State office, but they can if they modify their own constitutions to do so. Currently, there is no significant movement in any State desiring to do so.

There are some here that believe the courts have applied 'incorporation laws' upon the States. They are wrong. No court has the authority to change or interpret the Constitution of the United States.

I think we are in agreement that gun rights are fundamental Natural Rights enshrined in the Constitution for good reason. But if anyone at the constitutional convention had misunderstood the restrictions being placed on the federal government by the Constitution to apply to the states, the Constitution would never have been ratified. Near total state sovereignty was what was authorized and put in place. States can do what they want on guns.

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I think we are in agreement that gun rights are fundamental Natural Rights enshrined in the Constitution for good reason. But if anyone at the constitutional convention had misunderstood the restrictions being placed on the federal government by the Constitution to apply to the states, the Constitution would never have been ratified. Near total state sovereignty was what was authorized and put in place. States can do what they want on guns.

States did indeed value their sovereignty. It is why the 2nd amendment specifically mentions the right of a State to defend itself (using militias).

The 2nd amendment was not in place at the Constitutional convention. The States added it later as part of the Bill of Rights. Each State remembered how the British tried to limit guns from the people (and especially from anyone supporting the revolution!

The people have a sovereign power too, over their own, their families, and their property. Collectively, they formed sovereign States (or colonies). Collectively, THOSE formed the federal government, sovereign in it's territory, and given specific powers. The States also agreed, at tthat time, to place upon themselves the requirement that each State provide a republican form of government and also many other agreements. Those agreements are still in place.

Sovereignty is shared, the people, the States, and the federal government. If there is any conflict, the constitution forming the State or the Constitution forming the federal government is very specific about the power each has. All other powers are retained by the people. See the 9th and 10th amendments, and Articles I through VII.

[artichoke]

States did indeed value their sovereignty. It is why the 2nd amendment specifically mentions the right of a State to defend itself (using militias).

The 2nd amendment was not in place at the Constitutional convention. The States added it later as part of the Bill of Rights. Each State remembered how the British tried to limit guns from the people (and especially from anyone supporting the revolution!

The people have a sovereign power too, over their own, their families, and their property. Collectively, they formed sovereign States (or colonies). Collectively, THOSE formed the federal government, sovereign in it's territory, and given specific powers. The States also agreed, at tthat time, to place upon themselves the requirement that each State provide a republican form of government and also many other agreements. Those agreements are still in place.

Sovereignty is shared, the people, the States, and the federal government. If there is any conflict, the constitution forming the State or the Constitution forming the federal government is very specific about the power each has. All other powers are retained by the people. See the 9th and 10th amendments, and Articles I through VII.

Virginia and New York refused to ratify. The Bill of Rights was specifically added to ensure them the federal government would be restricted in all the specified ways.