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    Default The real 'deep state' is about corporate power, not entrenched bureaucrats

    With impeachment hearings underway, conservatives' favorite catchphrase, the "deep state," has gotten a thorough airing. Stephen Miller, the White House's hard-line immigration adviser, called the Ukraine whistleblower a "saboteur," adding, "I know the difference between a whistleblower and a deep state operative." Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), an ally of President Donald Trump, described GOP colleagues insufficiently protective of the administration as people "whose allegiance is more to the Deep State than it is to the president." "'Deep state' diplomats caught up in Trump impeachment fight back,"said the Washington Times, reporting on current and former diplomats testifying for impeachment investigators.

    As the author who popularized this term, I'm invoking the privilege of correcting them. There is no deep state as the right imagines it - that is, a secret cabal of government insiders hellbent on undermining the White House. Rather, it is Trump himself, under the camouflage of populist rhetoric, who has overseen the open expansion of the deep state: entrenched interests gaining outsize influence and setting their own policy agenda, unchecked by the will of the people, their elected representatives or the civil servants meant to regulate them.

    I wrote my book "The Deep State" to capture a phenomenon I had noticed over my 30 years as a Republican staffer in Congress. Despite the fiercely partisan atmosphere of the Obama presidency, policy largely remained on the same course as under his predecessor, George W. Bush, who had foundered on the twin rocks of a Middle East quagmire and a financial meltdown. Barack Obama continued Bush's misadventures abroad while committing a huge, unforced error of his own by intervening in Libya. He cleaned up the financial crash by bailing out banks but providing little relief to homeowners. Even his health-care bill, which Republicans decried as virtual Stalinism, copied the conservative Heritage Foundation's 1990s proposal. It seemed that whichever party controlled government, a kind of GPS ensured that the arrow always pointed in the same direction: toward money.

    "Deep state" seemed to fit: On the Hill, we used to remark how corporate lobbyists always knew the inside dope, and the dirt, first. The real power-lobbyists tended to concentrate in a few sectors: the military-industrial complex, of course (which Dwight Eisenhower warned us about); financial services, supercharged after decades of deregulation; and information technology, with its trillion-dollar companies. Boosted by the revolving door that lets those industries' executives shuttle through government policy positions, and unfettered by any meaningful campaign finance limitations, that concentration of power formed the basis of the deep state. No conspiracies in the dark of night, no grassy knoll, no Area 51. The players are known, their actions legal.

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    By the guy who wrote the book and coined the phrase. Got that Trump trolls?
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    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


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    The irony becomes obvious when we examine the Trump administration'spolicies, which have taken the worst features of his predecessors and put them on steroids. His Cabinet of billionaires and centimillionaires, like Betsy DeVos, Wilbur Ross and Steve Mnuchin, makes Bush's appointees look like a Bolshevik workers' council. Trump's tax cuts are overwhelmingly tilted toward the rich. The Pentagon is even more bloated than before. The president presides over rampant self-dealing (such as holding official events at his own properties and failing to divest his holdings or place them in a blind trust) that may even exceed the Harding administration's corruption.

    The real 'deep state' is about corporate power, not entrenched bureaucrats
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    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    The irony becomes obvious when we examine the Trump administration'spolicies, which have taken the worst features of his predecessors and put them on steroids. His Cabinet of billionaires and centimillionaires, like Betsy DeVos, Wilbur Ross and Steve Mnuchin, makes Bush's appointees look like a Bolshevik workers' council. Trump's tax cuts are overwhelmingly tilted toward the rich. The Pentagon is even more bloated than before. The president presides over rampant self-dealing (such as holding official events at his own properties and failing to divest his holdings or place them in a blind trust) that may even exceed the Harding administration's corruption.

    The real 'deep state' is about corporate power, not entrenched bureaucrats
    Asking "who is profiting from this?" is a question we should always be asking ourselves. You are right about corporations owning the power. I'm sure they were just delighted when their court jester, Trump, was selected POTUS. Who better to pave the road and grease the skids and butter their toast, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    By the guy who wrote the book and coined the phrase. Got that Trump trolls?
    This guy is an idiot. I can see why you would be drawn to him.

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    That's why it's so cringe when people talk about Trump taking on the establishment, or the Swamp, or the Deep State. This is a corrupt businessman who spent his whole life in the Swamp. He's an establishment-approved "outsider."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Asking "who is profiting from this?" is a question we should always be asking ourselves. You are right about corporations owning the power. I'm sure they were just delighted when their court jester, Trump, was selected POTUS. Who better to pave the road and grease the skids and butter their toast, eh?
    Always follow the money. As I always say, Trump not only had no intentions of swamp draining...he added a cesspool. One has to be pretty dumb not to see this con job that the GOP has been perpetrating for these past decades and how a dyed in the wool grifter like Trump would be a useful willing tool.
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    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Always follow the money. As I always say, Trump not only had no intentions of swamp draining...he added a cesspool. One has to be pretty dumb not to see this con job that the GOP has been perpetrating for these past decades and how a dyed in the wool grifter like Trump would be a useful willing tool.
    "Still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest." -- Simon & Garfunkel, The Boxer

    Have you ever watched any "news" programming on Fox? It's like entering an alternate reality. MSNBC is similar. Oddly I know far more ppl who depend on Fox for their version of events than on any one other media outlet. I wouldn't say that Fox viewers/readers are being brainwashed. They are definitely not getting the whole truth though. Most of them prefer it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    By the guy who wrote the book and coined the phrase. Got that Trump trolls?
    Those are called lobbyists, dipshit. And Democrats luv them.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Deep state" seemed to fit:
    it dos not "fit" at all / the author is describing the corpocracy
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    https://www.yourdictionary.com/corpocracy
    A society where the interests of large corporations control economic and political decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    By the guy who wrote the book and coined the phrase. Got that Trump trolls?
    So the "corporate deep state" wants to get rid of Trump?

    Anyway, I find it hilarious that you bitch about stuff like the military-industrial complex, but you seem to suggest that "the will of the people" should be enforced by the government so you vote for people like warren and bernie, who are gonna get REAL cozy with corporate America if you elect them. Government and industry MUST exchange information if they are going to be as heavily regulated as they are, and they should have a say in legislation that's gonna affect them.

    What is this "will of the people" that is not being satisfied here? How does it directly impact you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    "Still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest." -- Simon & Garfunkel, The Boxer

    Have you ever watched any "news" programming on Fox? It's like entering an alternate reality. MSNBC is similar. Oddly I know far more ppl who depend on Fox for their version of events than on any one other media outlet. I wouldn't say that Fox viewers/readers are being brainwashed. They are definitely not getting the whole truth though. Most of them prefer it that way.
    MSNBC has been correct on all the major stories they have been out front on for over the decades I have watched it


    Fox and MSNBC ARE NOT COMPARABLE


    its a fools errand to claim this


    I have been able tp determine the TRUTH many many times because I watch MSNBC over all other top media


    I watch everyone

    yes even Fox

    Im telling you MSNBC has been correct over all others many times in the decades I have been watching them


    they report the TRUTH


    the TRUTH is the republican party is evil and has been so for decades


    MSNBC states their crimes clearly


    and guess what


    They have been proven correct over and over and over in the evils that republicans have preformed since their inception


    the facts are NOT automatically in the middle


    MSNBC doesn't have to be BAD because Fox is BAD


    there is no media like FOX on the left


    just wanting that to be true doesnt make it true


    FOX flat out LIES


    go get me ONE example of MSNBC reporting a lie

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    When I first met him, Mr. Owl watched MSNBC, so I watched it with him. Mostly he liked Keith Olbermann. I thought he was funny and entertaining but too over-the-top for me. I guess his segment wasn't meant to be "real news" though. At any rate, MSNBC I found was as biased to the left as Fox is to the right. Just like with Fox, their political reports were factual, yet not the whole story. I get pretty resentful when I sense that a media outlet is trying to steer my POV one way or the other. Remember when news was just news and didn't have the presenters' opinions inserted into it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    When I first met him, Mr. Owl watched MSNBC, so I watched it with him. Mostly he liked Keith Olbermann. I thought he was funny and entertaining but too over-the-top for me. I guess his segment wasn't meant to be "real news" though. At any rate, MSNBC I found was as biased to the left as Fox is to the right. Just like with Fox, their political reports were factual, yet not the whole story. I get pretty resentful when I sense that a media outlet is trying to steer my POV one way or the other. Remember when news was just news and didn't have the presenters' opinions inserted into it?
    so you NEVER watch CNN I hope
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    I watched MSNBC from their inception because they had Olberman


    It was brand new then


    Olberman was mad at CNN for how they treated them

    I was already pissed at CNN for their helping Bush get his Iraq war


    when the Bush people began their march to Iraq Phil donahoe (I am sure I spelled it wrong) had a new NEWS show at the time


    It was gaining the TOP RATINGS and was anti march to Iraq in the sense that they were offering the ACYUAL FACTS about the run up


    CNN ENDED THAT SHOW


    IT WAS THEIR TOP RATED SHOW

    It was brand new BUT it was their top rated show


    THEY KILLED IT WITHOUT EXPLANATION


    but they Kept Olberman


    because Olberman was funny and kinda nutty


    Olberman was telling those same truths


    CNN then proceded to help Bush attack Iraq by spouting their lies as "THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACTS"

    "we just don't know whos correct yet"


    they performed their CORPORATE soul dance


    then MSNBC came along and gave us Olberman back and introduced people Like Rachel Madow to the US viewer


    CNN continued to be the corporate shill they were for a few years


    and began to lose viewership to MSNBC as well as got embarrassed by how they helped the Bush team look good


    Now CNN is as on the ball as MSNBC is


    soooo


    CNN moved in the direction of FACTS that were being proven by MSNBC reporting


    Olberman had some personal problems (a medical condition of the bowels) that made him very hard to work with and got his head swollen by his viewers praise

    He was correct on everything he reported


    he was OUT AHEAD OF IT ALL THE ENTIRE TIME


    the effect was that he was seen as nutty


    he would report something NO ONE ELSE was reporting


    so people would scoff and gaaaa at his reporting


    then 6 months later everyone would be reporting it as FACTS EVERYONE KNEW TO BE TRUE

    never giving Olberman the credit for being correct in his reporting FIRST

    and he was doing the I told you so

    and reporting the next new ground breaking reporting on a new fact


    he always turned out to be correct


    but the media never publicly recognized that fact


    then MSNBC began ( I don't remember the year)

    they pulled in people like Racheal Maddow that was having radio success in reporting the truth and nailing it


    then people started sayong they were the Fox opposite

    In so meaning that they told lies like fox does but for the liberals



    I have been telling CNN viewers for over a decade that NO MSNBC is not comparable to Fox


    and NOW CNN is just like MSNBC in their reporting


    all their head people are different people now

    and funny thing was Trump immediately began attacking CNN and NOT MSNBC


    hmmmmm


    because he knew MSNBC had already been smeared by the right as a LIBERAL NEWS station


    Bush and team hated MSNBC

    MSNBC turned out tp be on the side of FACTS and the Bush admin ….not so much



    I watch both CNN and MSNBC


    they both have people I trust and have seen been proven correct by the facts in the end


    Fox is never there

    they are a propaganda lie station


    On MSNBC there are people who have been their since day one that deserve the respect of being correct for over a decade in their reporting

    It was just VERY out front from the other stations at the time it was reported

    I don't know if you watch Rachel but she asks her guest every time if her lead in to their story was correct and to please correct anything she missed or said in error


    VERY VERY rarely do the not say "thank you for your outline of the facts and you got it correct"


    Chris Hayes is all business and always insightful

    the morning shows like Mika and Joe are NOTHING to brag about


    I don't watch them

    they are clowns


    but most morning news shows are just that

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