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    Default Stents and bypass surgery are no more effective than drugs for stable heart disease

    "Stents, bypass surgery offer only limited benefits for millions with heart disease, study finds

    PHILADELPHIA Stents and coronary artery bypass surgery are no more effective than intensive drug treatment and better health habits in preventing millions of Americans from heart attacks and death, a large study found, shedding new light on a major controversy in cardiology. ... "


    https://www.foxnews.com/health/stent...se-study-finds
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    ok thanks.

    You know what is good to prevent it, 1 hour per day or more aerobic exercise, no smoking, a diet low in saturated fats, high in omega 3 fatty acids, oily fish, very little red meat or pork or fatty chicken, a Ninja blended glass full of vegetables and fruits and at some point tablespoon of psyllium husks diluted in a glass of water.

    If you slip up, it's OK just get back to it.

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    but why go on "intensive drugs" if a stent works just as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    but why go on "intensive drugs" if a stent works just as well?
    Not an expert here, but I understand if you get a stent you probably should continue taking Statins anyway.
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    or a bottle of Lagavulin 16 year scotch whisky like we polished off last night.
    clear you right up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Not an expert here, but I understand if you get a stent you probably should continue taking Statins anyway.
    probably.but statins are not "intensive drug therapy"

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    One of my racketball friends had a quadruple bypass Friday. He has 4 brothers and 3 of them have had open-heart surgery. His father did too. Drugs were not going to save him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    or a bottle of Lagavulin 16 year scotch whisky like we polished off last night.
    clear you right up.
    my father in law (one of my favorite humans who ever lived) called scotch Chicken soup

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    genes are a huge part of any health deal

    how you treat your body is also very important


    whatever you inherited it makes good sense to try to extend the ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    "Stents, bypass surgery offer only limited benefits for millions with heart disease, study finds

    PHILADELPHIA — Stents and coronary artery bypass surgery are no more effective than intensive drug treatment and better health habits in preventing millions of Americans from heart attacks and death, a large study found, shedding new light on a major controversy in cardiology. ... "
    Go eat a pound of bacon swimming in butter.

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    Im not sure his Siberian shack gets any bacon delivered to it

    His Russian government food package is pretty slim these days


    damn those sanctions huh Big Dog

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    Truth is we are all snowflakes with different bodies responding differently to similar stimuli. Genetics is a huge factor. Diet and exercise is another. But many do everything that medical science suggests and they still get blockages.
    My brother has angioplasty when he was in his 40s. He swam every day and played tennis. He was a near vegetarian and his weight was ideal. He was back at work in a week after the procedure. He asked his doctor what he got from doing everything right. The doc said,"you were back to work in a week".

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    genes are a huge part of any health deal

    how you treat your body is also very important


    whatever you inherited it makes good sense to try to extend the ride
    Very true. For example...

    My mom lived to be almost 95.

    She grew up in Germany in the 20's and 30's when people ate high fat, high cholesterol, high sodium diets with nary a thought to what constituted "healthy" by today's standards. Spent the first 60 years of her life doing mostly the same, because in those days, that's the way everybody ate. Few people spent much time thinking about things like low-fat, high-fiber, etc.

    It wasn't until the 1980's that she, along with the rest of the modern world, began to consider things like fat, sugar and sodium.

    The extent of her exercise, was a lot of house and yard work. Always kept her home immaculately clean. Didn't start going to the doctor for regular checkups until she was in her 80's and learned she had T2 diabetes and high blood pressure. In spite of that, she always looked about 10 or 20 years younger than she really was. In her 80's, she could have passed for being in her 60's or early 70's.

    My dad lived until he was 84 and he smoked about a pack of cigarettes a day most of his life, having started when he was a kid and smoking unfiltered Camels in the Army, during WWII. Had he quit smoking when he was in his 50's or 60's, he probably would've lived another 10 years. But his diet was basically the same as my mom's. One of his favorite snacks was peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches.

    Anyway, I'm hoping to enjoy any potential inherited genetic benefits while adopting healthier lifestyle habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Truth is we are all snowflakes with different bodies responding differently to similar stimuli. Genetics is a huge factor. Diet and exercise is another. But many do everything that medical science suggests and they still get blockages.
    My brother has angioplasty when he was in his 40s. He swam every day and played tennis. He was a near vegetarian and his weight was ideal. He was back at work in a week after the procedure. He asked his doctor what he got from doing everything right. The doc said,"you were back to work in a week".
    Yep.

    Look at David Letterman.

    Ran/jogged constantly, kept his weight well within a healthy range and still had to have a quadruple bypass.

    His father died in his 50's or 60's of heart problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Yep.

    Look at David Letterman.

    Ran/jogged constantly, kept his weight well within a healthy range and still had to have a quadruple bypass.

    His father died in his 50's or 60's of heart problems.
    He had the money for the best treatment too. Lots of Americans do not. Just having regular doctor visits and checkups is a big factor that many do not have access to.

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