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    Default The American public is simmering with apathy.

    The Democrats know they’re engaged in a futile exercise that exists only to draw attention. They don’t have the muscle to take out the president. They read the David Brooks column that explained that nobody between the coasts is paying attention to this drama. As for what their witnesses will say, the Democrats have already leaked the pertinent facts to the press, which eagerly provided them to the public.

    And the president’s approval rating? It’s 44.2 percent, according to the RealClearPolitics average. The day before the Ukraine transcript was released, it was 45.0 percent.

    After six weeks of set-your-hair-on-fire-and-do-the-funky-chicken impeachment hoo-ha, the Democrats have succeeded in reducing the president’s support by not quite one full percentage point. Minus red-hot public demand, the Republican senators won’t be escorting the president out the door.

    Brooks noted in his column that an Ohio professor discovered that, of 80 students in his class, 78 had not heard about the impeachment saga and all 80 said they were uninterested anyway.
    Hence the Democrats’ hopecasting that getting the TV networks to sign on as their promotional partners Wednesday might turn their sad charade into a national obsession.
    “The first hour of a hearing and the first hearing has got to be a blockbuster,” a senior Democrat told CNN beforehand.

    So . . . how’d that go? “Impeachment hearings play big on TV, less so with viewers,” ran a headline on, gulp, NBC News?
    NBC News is a television news outfit. For it to admit its own programming fizzled is not its usual habit. Does McDonald’s post a giant sign outside saying, “Yelp Reviewers Dislike the Quarter Pounder”?
    NBC’s story quoted Dallas businessman Travis Smallwood as saying, on behalf of the Republic,
    “I’m sort of paying attention, but not really.” Smallwood went so far as to say he thought Trump had broken the law (which one?) but added, “It’s not like they’re going to be able to remove him from office.”


    Other reviews were even more harsh: “Impeachment moves along like a kidney stone,” wrote my colleague Jim Geraghty. “I realize those of us in the news business aren’t supposed to admit this, but impeachment bores me.” Jim does this for a living.
    This is supposed to be the year’s biggest political event. It’s like Jim Nantz interrupting the Super Bowl to say, “Too bad football is so dull.”
    Peter Baker of the New York Times seconded Geraghty minus the vivid language: “It was not clear that minds were changed. Certainly they were not inside the room. . . . Nor were there any immediate signs that the hearing penetrated the general public. . . . There was little sense of a riveted country putting everything aside to watch à la Watergate.”

    Politico, whose relationship to impeachment might be expected to resemble a German Shepherd’s to a pound of raw sirloin, picked listlessly at its meal: “One surprising thing we heard a few times from people of both parties,” read the Politico Playbook, is “that the American public simply believes politics and government are dirty, and is not surprised that the president held up military aid to force an investigation into a political rival.
    In fact, there’s a theory that this is seen as business as usual.” So an outlet whose brand is being fantastically plugged in to the Washington scene is surprised that the American people are not surprised that politics is dirty?
    I doubt Politico is actually that naïve. What it is, is disappointed. The Democrats’ “blockbuster” turned out about as well as Terminator: Dark Fate.
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    Schiff’s trolling game isn’t working, but even so, two sides can join the fun.

    When (if) this thing lumbers over to the Senate for a trial, the president’s backers will stage their own trolling show. They could call Hunter Biden as a witness. Hell, why not call Joe Biden as a witness?
    The GOP is already thinking about how to pull a “We’re not locked in here with you — you’re locked in here with us!” moment. Republican senator Richard Burr of North Carolina let slip this prophecy the other day:

    “The day the [Senate] takes it up, we go into session six days a week from 12:30 p.m. until 6:30 p.m.,” with the trial to last six to eight weeks, which would certainly disrupt Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren’s winter plans to lock up their party’s presidential nomination even as their Senate colleagues are hammering away at all things Biden.
    “These witnesses that they’re calling are politically motivated,” groused Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) of the GOP. “Republicans are turning this into a partisan issue.” Ya think? AOC may be new in town, but even so, she learns remarkably slowly.

    The impeachment inquiry is just the latest label for the two things Adam and the Schiffites have been doing without pause since Trump was elected: showing off their high dudgeon for their activists-and-donors base and trying sweatily to convince the American people that Trump should not hold the office in which the same American people placed him.

    Since the White House released details of the Ukraine call on September 24, support for impeachment has ticked up, but not in a game-changing way.
    The facts that have dribbled out have simply confirmed the same basic narrative: Trump pushed the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens. Cue outrage among some, yawns among others. So it has gone for everything Trump has done these last three years.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...-uninterested/

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    Good article.

    The popular perception is the government is corrupt. Even if it’s true that Trump withheld aid to the Ukrainians in order to throw dirt on Biden—many people see that as business as usual.

    Politics is dirty business.

    Keep in mind also that many people fail to see the distinction between what Trump is alleged to have done and what Hillary and the DNC *actually did* to Trump with the Steele Dossier.

    The democrats ‘heavily nuanced’ arguments to the contrary are lost on many people.

    Hence, the collective yawn from much of the country.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    So far there have been no witnesses. It's been one part op-ed and one part biography channel.
    Next week we will get Morrison (who was on the actual call with Pompeo) who has already said
    that he found nothing wrong with the call. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    So far there have been no witnesses. It's been one part op-ed and one part biography channel.
    Next week we will get Morrison (who was on the actual call with Pompeo) who has already said
    that he found nothing wrong with the call. Go figure.
    I still marvel that democrats would want to go to the Senate armed only with he said/he said/she said.

    I’m still not convinced Pelosi is serious about it.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I still marvel that democrats would want to go to the Senate armed only with he said/he said/she said.

    I’m still not convinced Pelosi is serious about it.
    Me either. She of all people would have been doing this "by the book"
    if she was serious. The clown show they're putting on is for the nitwits like
    some in here who think this is a real live impeachment hearing like ones
    have been in the past. It resembles nothing of the kind of a serious inquiry
    and nothing (literally) could be further from the truth.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Me either. She of all people would have been doing this "by the book"
    if she was serious. The clown show they're putting on is for the nitwits like
    some in here who think this is a real live impeachment hearing like ones
    have been in the past. It resembles nothing of the kind of a serious inquiry
    and nothing (literally) could be further from the truth.
    Pelosi’s a serious politician in the sense she knows the ins and outs—she was around for the Clinton impeachment. She has to see the weaknesses in this thing.

    But the Democrat Party is being driven by radicals and towards radicalism—even Obama felt compelled to weigh in on it. And even the non-radical faction—how do you say it lol? They can’t think clearly when it comes to Trump.

    Put the two together and Pelosi was forced to act and now the horse is out of the barn.

    My guess is this thing will run out of gas. It was important for something significant to break early-on because the longer it drags out people are just going to stop paying attention to it.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Pelosi’s a serious politician in the sense she knows the ins and outs—she was around for the Clinton impeachment. She has to see the weaknesses in this thing.

    But the Democrat Party is being driven by radicals and towards radicalism—even Obama felt compelled to weigh in on it. And even the non-radical faction—how do you say it lol? They can’t think clearly when it comes to Trump.

    Put the two together and Pelosi was forced to act and now the horse is out of the barn.

    My guess is this thing will run out of gas. It was important for something significant to break early-on because the longer it drags out people are just going to stop paying attention to it.
    She knows what's what. There will probably be a few more moves of the goalposts after qpq, bribery, now it's intimidation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Good article.

    The popular perception is the government is corrupt. Even if it’s true that Trump withheld aid to the Ukrainians in order to throw dirt on Biden—many people see that as business as usual.

    Politics is dirty business.

    Keep in mind also that many people fail to see the distinction between what Trump is alleged to have done and what Hillary and the DNC *actually did* to Trump with the Steele Dossier.

    The democrats ‘heavily nuanced’ arguments to the contrary are lost on many people.

    Hence, the collective yawn from much of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    So far there have been no witnesses. It's been one part op-ed and one part biography channel.
    Next week we will get Morrison (who was on the actual call with Pompeo) who has already said
    that he found nothing wrong with the call. Go figure.
    Vindman?
    who is about as impartial as I am..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Vindman?
    who is about as impartial as I am..lol
    Morrison. He was one of the listeners and said that he heard nothing improper.
    I'm going to look around and try to find the line-up for next week.
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    OK. Found something from PBS.

    Jennifer Williams, special adviser to the vice president for Europe and Russia

    Jennifer Williams is a foreign service officer focused on Europe and Russia who is detailed to Vice President Pence’s staff. She’s the first member of the Vice President’s staff to participate in the impeachment inquiry. Williams was instructed by the White House to not testify, but she complied with her subpoena and appeared behind closed doors for the committee on November 7.

    Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs at the National Security Council

    Army Lt. Col. Vindman will be the first official who listened in on the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky to testify in the impeachment inquiry. In a six-page opening statement released to House lawmakers, Vindman said he twice raised concerns about an earlier July meeting where he said Amb. Gordon Sondland “emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election, the Bidens, and Burisma.”– the first concern was directly to Sondland and the second was to the NSC’s lead counsel. Vindman also recounted his thoughts on the July 25 Trump-Zelensky call: “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

    Kurt Volker, former U.S. special representative for Ukraine

    A day after the Trump-Zelensky phone call, Volker met with the Ukrainian president to give “advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to ‘navigate’ the demands that the president had made,” according to the whistleblower’s complaint. The State Department said Volker also arranged a meeting between Giuliani and Yermak. Volker gave hours of closed-door testimony before members of three House committees on Oct. 3. Volker provided text messages that revealed more details about the Trump administration’s contact with Ukraine.
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    Whenever confronted with failure they double down on stupid.
    Blame Nancy. She lost control and the cost iui s going to be severe.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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