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    During the hearing Wednesday, William B. Taylor Jr., the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, revealed publicly for the first time that an embassy staffer had overheard Trump speaking to the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who had called the president on a cellphone from a restaurant in Kyiv after meeting senior Ukrainian officials.

    Taylor said the aide, who was later identified as political counselor David Holmes, specifically heard Trump ask Sondland about “the investigations,” and that Sondland said after the call that Trump cared more about Biden than about U.S. policy toward Ukraine, an ally battling a Russian-backed insurgency.

    If confirmed, the cellphone conversation could place Trump and Sondland in jeopardy.

    It contradicts Sondland’s previous sworn testimony about his direct interactions with the president, when he failed to mention the conversation, and potentially puts him at risk of perjury. Sondland is scheduled to testify publicly next Wednesday.

    More importantly, it places the president more directly into the alleged scheme to demand political favors from Ukraine in exchange for U.S. assistance, a narrative that largely has been outlined by White House aides and U.S. diplomats so far.

    As a side issue, it raises questions about why Trump was willing to risk security by taking a cellphone call from abroad.

    Sondland’s call normally would be routed through a senior member of the national security staff or an assistant secretary of State, who might brief the president through a memo or verbally to a superior, who would then pass the information to the president.

    “Nothing is particularly orthodox” in the way Trump runs diplomacy, said Alexander Vershbow, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia.

    Sondland’s ability to dial up the president in a public place was particularly alarming to U.S. security experts, who cited Russia’s well-documented efforts to undermine the fragile democracy in Ukraine, and its near-certain surveillance of American diplomats there.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    What's that? Trump took a call on a cell phone that was not secured? OMFG!!! Isn't Trump the buffoon who blasted Clinton for using a private email server???
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    Oh Boy! I know the Republicans will be pissed about THIS!

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    More hearsay?

    Shit even a shitty lawyer like Jarod could defend Trump on these grounds. And he is a really shitty lawyer. Doesn’t make more than $100k a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    More hearsay?

    Shit even a shitty lawyer like Jarod could defend Trump on these grounds. And he is a really shitty lawyer. Doesn’t make more than $100k a year
    With the intelligence he shows on this forum, I'd be surprised if he made $100 a year.
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    If this sham Democrat circus had anyone of integrity (they do not or are afraid), there would be a notice of termination, a summary judgement and there would be an apology forthcoming from these fanatics (which includes most of the radical, Socialist Democrat party) to President Trump who has now been cleared by the Ukrainian Foreign Minister, Vadym Pyrstaiko.

    Don’t hold your breath.

    Summary Judgement:

    “A court order ruling that no factual issues remain to be tried and therefore a cause of action or all causes of action in a complaint can be decided upon certain facts without trial. A summary judgment is based upon a motion by one of the parties that contends that all necessary factual issues are settled or so one-sided they need not be tried. The motion is supported by declarations under oath, excerpts from depositions which are under oath, admissions of fact and other discovery, as well as a legal argument (points and authorities), that argue that there are no triable issues of fact and that the settled facts require a summary judgment for the moving party. The opposing party will respond by counter-declarations and legal arguments attempting to show that there are "triable issues of fact." If it is unclear whether there is a triable issue of fact in any cause of action, then summary judgment must be denied as to that cause of action. The theory behind the summary judgment process is to eliminate the need to try settled factual issues and to decide without trial one or more causes of action in the complaint. The pleading procedures are extremely technical and complicated and are particularly dangerous to the party against whom the motion is made.”
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    Is this the call in which Trump said "so, how is my bribe taking effect?" That call?

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    Changing a quote violates the TOS of JPP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    If this sham Democrat circus had anyone of integrity (they do not or are afraid), there would be a notice of termination, a summary judgement and there would be an apology forthcoming from these fanatics (which includes most of the radical, Socialist Democrat party) to President Trump who has now been cleared by the Ukrainian Foreign Minister, Vadym Pyrstaiko.

    Don’t hold your breath.

    Summary Judgement:

    “A court order ruling that no factual issues remain to be tried and therefore a cause of action or all causes of action in a complaint can be decided upon certain facts without trial. A summary judgment is based upon a motion by one of the parties that contends that all necessary factual issues are settled or so one-sided they need not be tried. The motion is supported by declarations under oath, excerpts from depositions which are under oath, admissions of fact and other discovery, as well as a legal argument (points and authorities), that argue that there are no triable issues of fact and that the settled facts require a summary judgment for the moving party. The opposing party will respond by counter-declarations and legal arguments attempting to show that there are "triable issues of fact." If it is unclear whether there is a triable issue of fact in any cause of action, then summary judgment must be denied as to that cause of action. The theory behind the summary judgment process is to eliminate the need to try settled factual issues and to decide without trial one or more causes of action in the complaint. The pleading procedures are extremely technical and complicated and are particularly dangerous to the party against whom the motion is made.”
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    Trump was cleared long before this circus came to town by Vadym Pyrstaiko. Of course, all the Socialist Dems have are lies and hearsay from their plants in the Whitehouse. They should be tried for treason.
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