anatta (11-16-2019), Darth Omar (11-15-2019), Earl (11-14-2019), PostmodernProphet (11-15-2019), Stretch (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
-The “whistle-blower” is an ultra-partisan Democrat “resistance” activist who worked for Biden and who was meeting Adam Schiff before the complaint was ever even filed.
-The notoriously corrupt Ukrainian company Burisma hired Biden’s criminal son despite him having zero qualifications or expertise and being unable to speak the language, paying him $50k per month to do nothing while his father oversaw U.S. policy on Ukraine…while pressure and investigations against the company were mounting. It was a clear and unmistakable attempt to secure political protection from prosecution.
-Instead of investigating Biden’s actual, provable corruption or the Obama administration that blackmailed Ukraine into dropping its investigation into it, Democrats are investigating President Trump for wanting an investigation. Confronting corruption is corruption, we are to believe.
-The entirety of the left’s basis for this show trial is third party hearsay and conjecture. There is literally no actual evidence.
-The transcript shows zero connection between investigating Biden’s crimes and the military aid President Trump was delaying.
-There is a plausible alternative explanation to the left’s conspiracy theory...President Trump withheld funding for the reason he stated: to investigate Ukraine’s new leader and determine if he was as corrupt as the rest of the government before releasing funds, as required by law. When Zelensky was cleared, President Trump released the funding.
-President Zelensky confirmed that there was no pressure on the call, no quid pro quo, and that he didn’t even know about the delay during that conversation.
-There is nothing unusual or improper about presidents putting conditions on foreign aid (Obama did it at least 8 times) or seeking political assistance from foreign governments (see Bill Clinton asking Tony Blair to intervene in 2000).
-Biden doesn’t get to play the victim for people wanting to investigate him just because he happens to be running against the current president as his crimes are being dragged into the spotlight.
-The investigation never even happened, and the military aid, which contained devastating weaponry and was vastly superior to the blankets Obama provided, still flowed to Ukraine.
-Ukrainians tried to interfere in the 2016 election, which warrants investigation...even if Democrats who pretend to be so offended about “foreign influence” in our elections refuse to let it be investigated.
-Schiff was already caught reading a fake transcript of the phone call into the Congressional record to falsely portray President Trump as guilty.
-Democrats pretend to be fighting “foreign influence” and threats to “our democracy”…after colluding with a foreign spy to manufacture partisan propaganda, to lie to a federal judge about it being legitimate foreign intelligence, and to illegally spy on Trump to rig the 2016 election.
-Democrats have rigged this entire show trial with unprecedented abuses such as denying basic constitutional rights (the right to confront one's accuser, to call one's own witnesses, etc.), coaching witnesses, denying transparency to the American people at every turn, etc., all to protect the imaginary right of the "whistle-blower" to remain anonymous while deliberately staging a political witch hunt.
Attachment 12611
anatta (11-16-2019), Darth Omar (11-15-2019), Earl (11-14-2019), PostmodernProphet (11-15-2019), Stretch (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
cancel2 2022 (11-16-2019), Earl (11-14-2019)
Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Note: The conservative unloads narrative-shattering facts and cites provable evidence...while the Democrat hurls personal insults. This is what "debating" with liberals is like.
Attachment 12612
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
Earl (11-14-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Earl (11-15-2019), Stretch (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
a new word for you...
fact
/fakt/
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noun
plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
"he ignores some historical and economic facts"
Similar:
reality
actuality
certainty
factuality
certitude
truth
naked truth
verity
gospel
Opposite:
lie
fiction
a piece of information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Similar:
detail
piece of information
particular
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specific
element
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feature
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facet
information
itemized information
whole story
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used in discussing the significance of something that is the case.
noun: the fact that
"the real problem facing them is the fact that their funds are being cut"
cancel2 2022 (11-16-2019)
domer76 (11-16-2019)
artichoke (11-15-2019), Earl (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Attachment 12629
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the sleazy lying demagogue who manufactured this hoax have to sit there right next to the guy systematically exposing and dismantling every single lie, crime, and abuse of power he committed to launch this latest witch hunt.
Attachment 12630
Last edited by artichoke; 11-15-2019 at 05:51 AM.
Stretch (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Darth Omar (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
artichoke (11-15-2019), Earl (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
It's the familiar Democrat approach of covering their ears, closing their eyes, and screaming, "No evidence!" at one piece of devastating evidence after another as it is all being systematically laid out for them piece by piece.
Attachment 12631
Earl (11-15-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
New video emerges of what Republicans are doing to Schiff's rigged, orchestrated show trial:
Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Not the meaning of the word 'fact'. A fact is not a proof. A fact is not a Universal Truth.
A fact is simply an assumed predicate. As soon as someone disputes that predicate, it is no longer a fact. It becomes an argument.
Data is not a fact. Anyone can and does simply create random numbers out of thick air as 'data'.
For example, it is a fact that Donald Trump is currently the President of the United States. Whether you think he is a criminal is irrelevant. Whether you think he was involved with any Russians is irrelevant. He currently is the President of the United States.
If someone wants to dispute that fact, they can, and then that fact becomes an argument. Good luck making that argument, however!
Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Democrats turn literally every single thing President Trump does into a new hysterical witch hunt as they themselves get away with crime after crime (blackmailing Ukraine, lying to federal judges, illegally spying, destroying evidence, rigging elections, etc.)...and their Soviet-style media propagandists enable these orchestrated Orwellian show trials that violate every rule, silence everyone but Democrats, and deny every basic right to those being lawlessly smeared and tyrannically harassed and lynched. So Trump works around these incredibly rigged book-burning mob show trials by setting the record straight on why this corrupt, incompetent, partisan ambassador was actually removed using Twitter...and Democrats respond by accusing him of witness intimidation.
Literally everything is turned into a new witch hunt. And no, defending yourself against blatant lies by listing the facts the media will not report is not witness intimidation, crybully drama queen snowflakes.
Attachment 12643
Witness intimidation requires violence against witnesses, bribery or blackmail of witnesses, etc. As always, the left's utterly illiterate nonsense doesn't even vaguely match the law.
Last edited by artichoke; 11-15-2019 at 09:01 PM.
Into the Night (11-19-2019), Truth Detector (11-18-2019)
Doesn't matter, the claim was proven true. The Whistleblower could be Hillary Clinton herself and it wouldn't change the fact that we have both the evidence and the confession.
So what? It's a private company, they can hire whoever they want. They weren't breaking any laws, so who cares if Hunter was an unqualified druggie?-The notoriously corrupt Ukrainian company Burisma hired Biden’s criminal son despite him having zero qualifications or expertise and being unable to speak the language, paying him $50k per month to do nothing while his father oversaw U.S. policy on Ukraine…while pressure and investigations against the company were mounting. It was a clear and unmistakable attempt to secure political protection from prosecution.
This is besides the point, anyway. Even if Hunter did something illegal, it wouldn't change the fact that what Trump did was also illegal. This is just #whataboutism.
More #whataboutism. If Obama and Biden did something illegal, it does not negate Trump doing something illegal.-Instead of investigating Biden’s actual, provable corruption or the Obama administration that blackmailed Ukraine into dropping its investigation into it, Democrats are investigating President Trump for wanting an investigation. Confronting corruption is corruption, we are to believe.
We have the transcript where Trump asks for a "favor" while withholding aide. This is bribery. If that isn't enough, Mulvaney confessed that they "do this all the time" when told that this is a Quid Pro Quo.-The entirety of the left’s basis for this show trial is third party hearsay and conjecture. There is literally no actual evidence.
We all know that Trump was withholding aide for this, but ok, let's pretend we don't. Trump still asked a foreign government for dirt on a political opponent. That's using the presidency for personal gain.-The transcript shows zero connection between investigating Biden’s crimes and the military aid President Trump was delaying.
And yet he ONLY asked about "corruption" regarding the Bidens. For all of the corruption in Ukraine, what a coincidence that he only cared about two debunked conspiracy theories regarding his main political opponent in the next election.-There is a plausible alternative explanation to the left’s conspiracy theory...President Trump withheld funding for the reason he stated: to investigate Ukraine’s new leader and determine if he was as corrupt as the rest of the government before releasing funds, as required by law. When Zelensky was cleared, President Trump released the funding.
Trump also didn't go through the proper channels, so even if these conspiracy theories were true, he still broke the rules.
If someone robs you, but you're unaware you were robbed, a crime was still committed.-President Zelensky confirmed that there was no pressure on the call, no quid pro quo, and that he didn’t even know about the delay during that conversation.
Sure, but you have to do it legally. You can't just ignore congress' decisions and make a shady backdoor deal. You also have to have a good reason. Withholding aide in return for dirt on a political opponent is not a good reason.-There is nothing unusual or improper about presidents putting conditions on foreign aid (Obama did it at least 8 times) or seeking political assistance from foreign governments (see Bill Clinton asking Tony Blair to intervene in 2000).
#whataboutism-Biden doesn’t get to play the victim for people wanting to investigate him just because he happens to be running against the current president as his crimes are being dragged into the spotlight.
An attempted crime is still a crime. You're basically saying that if a guy gets caught robbing a bank, a crime wasn't committed, because he didn't leave the bank with the money.-The investigation never even happened, and the military aid, which contained devastating weaponry and was vastly superior to the blankets Obama provided, still flowed to Ukraine.
This is another debunked conspiracy theory and more #whataboutism. Even if this was true, it wouldn't negate Trump's crime.-Ukrainians tried to interfere in the 2016 election, which warrants investigation...even if Democrats who pretend to be so offended about “foreign influence” in our elections refuse to let it be investigated.
This is probably another lie, but again, it doesn't matter. We already have all the evidence we need as well as a literal confession.-Schiff was already caught reading a fake transcript of the phone call into the Congressional record to falsely portray President Trump as guilty.
#whataboutism-Democrats pretend to be fighting “foreign influence” and threats to “our democracy”…after colluding with a foreign spy to manufacture partisan propaganda, to lie to a federal judge about it being legitimate foreign intelligence, and to illegally spy on Trump to rig the 2016 election.
Whistleblowers have the right to remain anonymous. If you don't like it, try to get the rules changed, don't blame the Democrats for following the rules.-Democrats have rigged this entire show trial with unprecedented abuses such as denying basic constitutional rights (the right to confront one's accuser, to call one's own witnesses, etc.), coaching witnesses, denying transparency to the American people at every turn, etc., all to protect the imaginary right of the "whistle-blower" to remain anonymous while deliberately staging a political witch hunt.
And what transparency are you talking about? First the Republicans wanted this to be public, then it should have been private, are we back to it should be public?
I know you're a Fascist, so I can't change your mind, but I hope some fence-sitters on the forum can see that Trumpcucks have no real defense here.
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