How can you claim what Biden did was illegal but what Trump did was not?

[christiefan915]

Naw.

Biden bragged about getting the prosecutor who was investigating his corrupt son fired.

That's not what the timeline shows.

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer is raising the specter that Joe Biden intervened in Ukrainian politics to help his son’s business. But if that was Biden’s aim, he was more than a year late, based on a timeline laid out by a former Ukrainian official and in Ukrainian documents...

The official described to Bloomberg details about the country’s political dynamic in the run-up to early 2016 when Biden, then the U.S. vice president, threatened to hold up U.S. funding to Ukraine unless it cracked down on corruption...

"...what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-s-biden-claim

[christiefan915]

Well, unless Schiff loosens up and allows republicans to call ERIC CIAMARELLA, Hunter Biden and perhaps even Schiff, to the witness stand, fair minded voters are apt to call it a sham.

Which, gives political cover for congressmen to vote it down.

Why doesn’t Schiff allow republicans to call whoever they will? That would deprive anyone of *an excuse* to vote against impeachment.

If Schiff’s narrative/case is a slam dunk it shouldn’t matter who republicans call, right?

That's pretty funny, considering how the WH is commanding potential witnesses for the Dems to disobey subpoenas and not show up. Even Taylor and Kent said they initially declined to show up for hearings until they got subpoenas.

[christiefan915]

Why do you bother responding to these trolls?

I can't stand reading their bald-faced lies.

[Cinnabar]

I can't stand reading their bald-faced lies.

Me either but they are hopeless...for one reason or another.

[Stretch]

SO Biden, under the direction of, and in accordance with President Obama's the State Department, demanded a corrupt prosecutor be fired (because he was refusing to investigate corruption) in exchange for release of aid money.

Evidence vs hearsay.

[domer76]

Joe BIden got the prosecutor looking to Berisma fired. That's illegal/corruption. That that gives Trump admin the right to demand Ukraine look into it. Just because Joe is running doesn't give him a free pass. Hilary didn't get a free pass on emals just because she was running.

Liar

[domer76]

nobody gives a fuck what Biden's son did........the question is why did Joe did what Joe did for the sake of his son.......if you're looking for coercion with tax payer money you need look no further than what Biden has told you he did......

Liar

[PoliTalker]

Hello and Happy Impeachment Day Darth,

Yes it is lol.

Actually, votes are much better than poll numbers. Because the impeachment vote is the best gauge of where congress stands on it. And today it’s come out that the Democrats two star witnesses have never even been in contact with the president. Yet somehow, democrats intend to impeach Trump based on their [hearsay] testimony.

Ill conceived.

As was pointed out during the testimony many elected officials have been impeached based on hearsay evidence. And this testimony comes from individuals if the highest caliber with impeccable careers. They are in the business of getting things right. But of course there are witnesses who have talked directly to the President on this, one of them being Mick Mulvaney. He has said in his own words politics affected the military aid and that we should simply 'Get Over It."

Another witness we'd like to hear from is John Bolton but he is ignoring the Constitution by failure to appear. The President has no grounds for ordering his staff not to appear, nor for ordering the State Department to refuse to turn over official notes. What is he hiding?

And of course, President Trump would be welcomed if he would appear and speak on his own behalf. What is he? Suddenly mute? He's never been at a loss for words when it comes to insulting somebody or some group of people he opposes. Why the silence now? It is so unbecoming of him. Is he, um, shall we say AFRAID to testify under oath? He could clear this right up.....

[Jack]

BAR associtate tricks will soon cease. What you gonna do when they come for you?

[Minister of Truth]

SO Biden, under the direction of, and in accordance with President Obama's the State Department, demanded a corrupt prosecutor be fired (because he was refusing to investigate corruption) in exchange for release of aid money. This prosecutor was NOT investigating Biden's son, as some have pretended to believe, there is zero evidence of that. The demand was public and not a secret. The State Department wanted the guy fired for failure to investigate corruption.


Then Trump, in secret, without the knowledge of his own State Department, and not in accordance with stated American Foreign Policy, orchestrates a campaign to tell Ukraine, using back channels, that they must investigate Trumps opponent, (four years after the public actions of Biden) almost as soon as it was clear Biden was the most likely Democratic nominee to go against Trump, in order to get the military assistance they needed to defend against Russia.

If you cant see how one is legal and the other is not, no hope for you.



Now, lets add, clearly if what Biden did was illegal, what Trump did was also illegal. Why would trump ask for an investigation if he did not know it was illegal? If what Biden did was illegal, I think he should be prosecuted. If what Trump did was illegal, he should be impeached, removed and prosecuted. How could anyone disagree?




Trump commits a crime trying to get Biden investigated for the same type of crime, only it turns out what Biden did was not a crime because there was no personal benefit to Biden. Remember there is 0 evidence the son was investigated. IN fact they wanted this prosecutor fired because he was not investigating corruption intentionally turning a blind eye to corruption.

One of them is investigating corruption; the other was being corrupt. Hmm...

[Minister of Truth]

You really seem confident that the left will skate on Crossfire Hurricane.

[Gonzomin]

Evidence vs hearsay.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/crimina...-evidence.html
Hearsay is also usable in court and these hearings are not courts but investigations.

[Wolverine]

Yet, it wasn’t for personal gain, was it?

He was acting for the US, IMF, EU and NATO.

CHECKMATE

He was acting for his little drip down the inside of mommas leg!

[Wolverine]

Biden did nothing illegal but Trump did. Big difference.

[Earl]

OPINION
“Opinion: Day 1 of the Trump impeachment hearing was a lost day for Democrats

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank) and ranking Republican Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Tulare), during the first public impeachment hearings.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), left, and ranking Republican Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Tulare) during Wednesday’s first public hearing in the impeachment inquiry into President Trump.(Saul Loeb / AFP/Getty Images)
By SCOTT JENNINGS
NOV. 13, 2019 2:10 PM
Day 1 of the public House impeachment hearings on President Trump is in the books, and nothing that happened will move public opinion in a meaningful way. The folks who have wanted to impeach Trump since he won the presidency still do, and the folks who don’t still don’t.

In other words, it’s a lost day for Democrats.

The burden of proof is on Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank) to do more than secure impeachment, which is all but certain. Their job is to conduct these hearings in a way that moves public opinion to the point that the Senate will convict the president. That means giving Republican senators something that changes their impression of Trump’s conduct of Ukraine foreign policy. What’s alleged may make many members of the GOP uncomfortable, but it doesn’t come remotely close to requiring that the president be removed from office.

The opening-day witnesses — diplomatic officials Bill Taylor and George Kent — testified professionally and with honor, but they failed to deliver a made-for-TV gotcha. Rather, they simply reiterated that they had no firsthand knowledge of the president’s interactions and had not had conversations with the president directly.“
LA Times

“ Day 1 of the public House impeachment hearings on President Trump is in the books, and nothing that happened will move public opinion in a meaningful way. The folks who have wanted to impeach Trump since he won the presidency still do, and the folks who don’t still don’t.

In other words, it’s a lost day for Democrats.”

LA Times...gasp!