Trumpet (11-12-2019)
Sounds like trump. Making money from his position in the govt.Zlochevsky expanded Burisma at the same time when he was Ukraine's environment minister, whose duties included issuing drilling licenses. After the bloody revolution on Kyiv's streets five years ago, Zlochevsky — like disgraced President Viktor Yanukovych — fled Ukraine.
Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Trumpet (11-12-2019)
Now you're trying to make a semantic argument between "suspended" and "held up" because you know you just stepped in it.
Had there not been the whistleblower complaint, and had there not been witnesses coming forward as they have, there is no reason to believe that aid would be released.
And if it was going to be released anyway, then that proves the quid pro quo...that Trump was trying to pressure Zalensky into publicly announcing investigations of his political rivals by dangling the aid Congress had already approved and verified.
Saying it was a negotiation tactic, proves the quid pro quo!
Wow.
You're not very good at this.
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Trumpet (11-12-2019)
OMFG.
You said multiple times -including on this thread- that it was held up...in fact, you said it one post ago:
So it wasn't "held up", except you say it was "held up", but when you say "held up", you don't mean "held up", because words have no meaning anymore and you can't be expected to remember your position from post-to-post.
Maybe you meant to post this under one of your different IDs...that way you can give yourself plausible deniability.
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ThatOwlWoman (11-12-2019), Trumpet (11-12-2019)
Yanno, I hate to come here on my first post, and bust people's bubbles, but if President Trump were as obviously guilty as the left here is trying to assert, Pence would already be President and Trump would be wearing Striped Pajamas.
The Truth is, that withholding aid to a country is not illegal. It is Trump's prerogative. In fact, Quid pro quo isn't illegal, either.
Now, if anyone here can be honest with themselves, which I doubt, and put their hatred aside, riddle me this. It is obvious to the neutral observer, that the left has been lying and spinning ever since Trump was duly elected, much the same way the right reacted to Obama, just not as rabidly. The talk of impeachment was leveled BEFORE the 2016 General Election. Apparently, something triggered the left into a meltdown. Why?
As an Independent, I am one of the ones who elected President Trump. We all know that no President can be elected without aid from the Independents. I have watched as the left continues to alienate and marginalize the Indy Voters. We are becoming more and more irritated at the left. For three years, all y'all have done is cry about Trump. Do you remember the left's reaction to the Hillary Loss? Screaming rooms, safe spaces, Newscasters Crying tears, college kids melting down across the country. And all the Chicken Littles screaming "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" Guess what? The Sky didn't fall. In fact, the American Worker is much better off, now.
Yep, the only one in Washington doing anything for the American People is Trump. The Republicans sit on their hands, thinking of ways to battle the Left. The Dems are obsessed with Impeaching Trump, and have neglected their Duties to their constituents. They should be working on Immigration and Border Security, Infrastructure, Energy Policy, Health care, and any other pressing issue facing American Families. But for three years, they've been chasing their tails.
I am no genius and even I know this Impeachment Nonsense is going NOWHERE. You should recognize that too, and get ready, since no sitting President has ever been removed by Impeachment, and No Incumbent President has ever been voted out, under a Booming Economy and the economy is Booming.
But, I guess you can Dream On. It is your right.
How is this "election interference"? It's not. And Paul Manafort is currently sitting in jail for his illegal Ukraine schemes.
So you're exaggerating and embellishing to try and manipulate people into thinking Ukraine did what Russia did in 2016; hack and troll and interfere. But then you go and post a quote from an article that doesn't say they did any of that.
So you're moving the bar on "election interference"."top down"means direct involvement with Poroshenko who did not need to be part of it -it was done mostly at the diplomatic level.
First, your claim was that Ukraine interfered in the election.
Then, you softly moved that goalpost back to include an investigation of someone who is currently sitting in prison for crimes specifically related to Ukraine.
So your definition of "election interference" seems to be as fungible as your IDs.
LMAO! BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!ou can read the long article and learn the depths of collusion , or remain ignorant. makes no difference to me
I'm going swimming either way now.
First of all, bullshit that you're going swimming.
Secondly, how convenient that the moment we start picking apart the sole piece of evidence you think supports you, you have to leave.
Hmmm. Funny, that. What a coincidence! The moment you can't argue that Ukraine did what Russia did in 2016, you have to leave all of a sudden and you appeal to the authority of the article that you haven't read.
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Can you imagine being anatta and being so humiliated by me that you go through the steps of manufacturing a brand new ID here just to insert into a thread you're losing?
It's obvious dukkha...you say you're "going swimming" and then this new ID shows up in this thread that just so happens to argue all the same shit points you've been arguing this entire time, but in a different "voice" because you think it's authentic?
There's no reason any NOOB would just wander onto this thread and make it such a point that we shouldn't force the issue because it'll drive independents from the Democrats (shades of your #Walkaway from last year, a hashtag you shared, Dukkha) unless it was Anatta trying to get off the awkwardness of:
1. Saying the aid was held up, then saying it wasn't held up literally one post later.
2. Not reading the article that actually doesn't show any election interference by Ukraine, but was rather quite prescient when it came to Manafort, who is now sitting in prison for...wait for it...his Ukraine schemes and plots, like you quoted in this article.
Why are you hitting yourself?
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BLUEXITA Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red
Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.
It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.
This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america
Did you really, really, really think that this was going to fool anyone?
That some rando just so happens to register for JPP, and happens to find themselves on my thread, which wasn't even at the top of the thread list at the time, posts just one time in the same thread dukkha made an ass of themselves, that is turned off by the Democrats' attempt to hold Trump and the GOP accountable...not unlike what Dukkha was doing last year with the #Walkaway, trying to dissuade Democrats by pretending that holding Conservatives accountable would backlash at the polls.
None of this is convincing, Anatta.
When I die, turn me into a brick and use me to cave in the skull of a fascist
BLUEXITA Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red
Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.
It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.
This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america
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