Townhall takes the leap

[Darth Omar]

In releasing the letter to the ranking member of the House intel Committee he alerted the world that he would “disallow” witnesses such as Hunter Biden (you know, the guy named in the phone call at the center of this proceeding) and the “anonymous whistleblower” (the guy Schiff coordinated with to launch this circus).

There is zero reason to deny the minority party access to either witness. For if everything that Schiff is doing is on the up and up such testimony would add to the “transparent case," The case being that the president committed such heinously criminal acts that violate the conscience of the people who elected him that the only remedy remaining is to regretfully remove him from office.

Hearing from the witnesses—if the case was legitimate—would bolster majority party claims and truly set in play a test in the Senate for a Constitutional crisis of duty.

Of course the monkey-grinder dance routine from Schiff is perhaps the least legitimate undertaking in the people’s House in perhaps the history of the nation.

No one believes it’s serious.

Even most people who hate the president know it’s a farce. They’re okay with it, of course, because they hate Trump and would use this or any means at their disposal to send him on his way. But get them talking and you’ll soon see them admit that it’s not fair—they just don’t care.

Which is why, when this idiocy fails, it will be time to return the House to common sense, and a legitimate investigation into the coordination, strategy, and origin of the #fauxpeachment must be commenced.

Key to that investigation would be an honest conversation with a man named Eric Ciaramella.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevi...mella-n2556225
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But...it’s Townhall lol.

Precisely the point. A media outlier took the plunge and put Eric Ciaramella’s name in the headline.

How long will the News Fakers be able to run interference for Democrats on it? Even as we sit, CNN’s Zucker and his fellow media big wig weasels are discussing their strategy. I just can’t imagine what it would be. They’re already being rightly mocked and when that starts to happen—bye bye viewers.

I say by the end of the week Ciaramella will be fully outed.

[Darth Omar]

We should make bets on who goes first lol.

ABC? Well, they buried the Epstein story so probably not them. NBC, maybe. CNN? Hell will freeze over first.

Fox has basically already outed [the already outed lol—how can you even make this stuff up?] Ciaramella, so maybe the safe money goes on Fox.

[archives]

In releasing the letter to the ranking member of the House intel Committee he alerted the world that he would “disallow” witnesses such as Hunter Biden (you know, the guy named in the phone call at the center of this proceeding) and the “anonymous whistleblower” (the guy Schiff coordinated with to launch this circus).

There is zero reason to deny the minority party access to either witness. For if everything that Schiff is doing is on the up and up such testimony would add to the “transparent case," The case being that the president committed such heinously criminal acts that violate the conscience of the people who elected him that the only remedy remaining is to regretfully remove him from office.

Hearing from the witnesses—if the case was legitimate—would bolster majority party claims and truly set in play a test in the Senate for a Constitutional crisis of duty.

Of course the monkey-grinder dance routine from Schiff is perhaps the least legitimate undertaking in the people’s House in perhaps the history of the nation.

No one believes it’s serious.

Even most people who hate the president know it’s a farce. They’re okay with it, of course, because they hate Trump and would use this or any means at their disposal to send him on his way. But get them talking and you’ll soon see them admit that it’s not fair—they just don’t care.

Which is why, when this idiocy fails, it will be time to return the House to common sense, and a legitimate investigation into the coordination, strategy, and origin of the #fauxpeachment must be commenced.

Key to that investigation would be an honest conversation with a man named Eric Ciaramella.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevi...mella-n2556225
_____________

But...it’s Townhall lol.

Precisely the point. A media outlier took the plunge and put Eric Ciaramella’s name in the headline.

How long will the News Fakers be able to run interference for Democrats on it? Even as we sit, CNN’s Zucker and his fellow media big wig weasels are discussing their strategy. I just can’t imagine what it would be. They’re already being rightly mocked and when that starts to happen—bye bye viewers.

I say by the end of the week Ciaramella will be fully outed.

First off, the Democrats are playing by the rules established by the prior GOP House

Second, what does Biden's son have to do with Trump potentially abusing his power in asking, some say extorting, the Ukraine to investigate a political opponent? with inviting a foreign nation into our elections?

Third, why is the whistleblower even needed, nearly everything he said has been documented as valid in testimonies from numerous parties involved in the events? Why is it important to know who he is or why should he go public, especially considering the potentially dangerous backlash from Trump supporters? Why is he necessary?

[anatta]

First off, the Democrats are playing by the rules established by the prior GOP House

not for impeachment which is an open political process . It's the Schiff show instead

Second, what does Biden's son have to do with Trump potentially abusing his power in asking, some say extorting, the Ukraine to investigate a political opponent? with inviting a foreign nation into our elections?

he is the reason Trump mentioned the phone call :Bidens"

Third, why is the whistleblower even needed, nearly everything he said has been documented as valid in testimonies from numerous parties involved in the events? Why is it important to know who he is or why should he go public, especially considering the potentially dangerous backlash from Trump supporters? Why is he necessary?

because I stronglyt suspect a political operative planned a hit job with Schiff and his atty Zaid.
The whole thing reeks of a coup attempt, as Zaid tweeted

[evince]

the rules are the same one used under Impeaching Nixon


This is NOT a HUNTER BIDEN impeachment


remember when the whistle blower was DEMEANED by the right as having ONLY SECOND HAND information so they were meaningless?


YOU ASSHOLES SAID IT OVER AND OVER

remember


so NOW that the whistle blowers second hand Info was used to understand WHO we needed to talk to for FIRST HAND EVIDENCE

why do you evil fucks want to harass the whistle blower ?


there is ONLY ONE REASON


to stop people from outing other TRUMP CRIMES

[evince]

Oh and BTW

look up the word coup


VIOLENCE has to be part of it asshole


This is legal process designed by the FOUNDERS to ensure a PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER

[evince]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup





coup d'état noun


\ ˌkü-(ˌ)dā-ˈtä


, ˈkü-(ˌ)dā-ˌtä, -də-\
variants: or coup d'etat
plural coups d'état or coups d'etat\ ˌkü-​(ˌ)dā-​ˈtä


, ˈkü-​(ˌ)dā-​ˌtä , -​də-​ \ also coup d'états or coup d'etats
Definition of coup d'état
: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group

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not for impeachment which is an open political process . It's the Schiff show instead

he is the reason Trump mentioned the phone call :Bidens"
because I stronglyt suspect a political operative planned a hit job with Schiff and his atty Zaid.
The whole thing reeks of a coup attempt, as Zaid tweeted

For House Committee hearings, which is the process being used, and as far as actual impeachment, the same rules used in the Clinton impeachment are being followed today, the majority decides who can be called as a witness and how the testimony is to be gathered.

Exactly, Trump is telling a foreign nation to investigate the family of a political rival, inviting a foreign entity into our elections. As of today, nobody in the Biden family has been found guilty of anything, in fact, none of them has ever been investigated for doing something wrong, yet Trump wanted a foreign nation to commence an investigation. Biden's son has nothing to do with Trump abusing his power and has no purpose in the impeachment process other than as a deflection

And there in is the problem, the right "strongly suspects," which doesn't mean a damn thing given the facts that have been exposed. The whistleblower's complaint was vetted and declared serious by two levels of scrutiny within the Trump Administration even before it reached Congress, and has been verified by numerous sources thereafter, and now you, they, are telling us there is another conspiracy involved.

Got anything else?

[anatta]

For House Committee hearings, which is the process being used, and as far as actual impeachment, the same rules used in the Clinton impeachment are being followed today, the majority decides who can be called as a witness and how the testimony is to be gathered.

no. It was all done in the open -no secret hearings, and POTUS has representation,and Impeachment was voted on, and the Judiciary Commitee was always used not Intelligence

Exactly, Trump is telling a foreign nation to investigate the family of a political rival, inviting a foreign entity into our elections. As of today, nobody in the Biden family has been found guilty of anything, in fact, none of them has ever been investigated for doing something wrong, yet Trump wanted a foreign nation to commence an investigation. Biden's son has nothing to do with Trump abusing his power and has no purpose in the impeachment process other than as a deflection

facile. John Solomon has found documents Hunter was personally in contact with the State Dept to try to influence quashing of the Uk. Burisma investigation. Right after that Biden issued his threat. It's even worse then that but you wouldn't have a clue since you don't folow Solomans investigative reporting

And there in is the problem, the right "strongly suspects," which doesn't mean a damn thing given the facts that have been exposed. The whistleblower's complaint was vetted and declared serious by two levels of scrutiny within the Trump Administration even before it reached Congress, and has been verified by numerous sources thereafter, and now you, they, are telling us there is another conspiracy involved.

declared erious? it was dropped in the IG'slap. The IG did not know the WB was in contact with Schiff. The IG did not know Schiff referred him the Zaid . The IG did not know the WB worked for Biden.
Everything screams for an investigation. Why are you against transparency in a grave matter like Impeachment?

[Nordberg]

This is an impeachment hearing. Biden has nothing to do with it. There is no reason to call Biden, his son or any of the witnesses the reds want. It is a typical Repub deflection.
I would suggest the Repugs start their own investigation but that is what Barr, the pretend AG, is doing.

[dukkha]

Shokin did go after Zlochevsky. He opened two cases against him in 2015.
After he did that Biden and his crew started to lobby for his firing.
Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case. He did so just before Biden’s campaign against him went into a frenzy.
https://mronline.org/2019/10/07/when...g-into-action/
On February 2 Shokin confiscated four large houses Zlochevsky owned plus a Rolls-Royce Phantom
Ten days later Biden goes into overdrive to get him fired. Within one week he personally calls Poroshenko three times with only one major aim: to get Shokin fired.

[B]The Washington Post falsely claimed that the Zlochevsky case was “dormant”.
The executive director of the U.S. and EU financed Anti-Corruption Action Center falsely claimed that the prosecutor was “not pursuing the investigation”.
The NYT repeated that false claim and added an obvious false claim from unnamed Zlochevsky “allies”.
Why did the media claim Shokin did nothing against Zlochevsky when the record shows the opposite?

Zlochevsky had hired Joe Biden’s son Hunter for at least $50,000 per month.
1. In 2015 Shokin started to investigate him in two cases.
2. During the fall of 2015 Joe Biden’s team begins to lobby against him. On February 2 Shokin seizes Zlochevsky’s houses.
3. Shortly afterwards the Biden camp goes berserk with Biden himself making nearly daily phonecalls.
4. Shokin goes on vacation while Poroshenko (falsely) claims that he resigned.
5. When Shokin comes back into office Biden again takes to the phone. A week later Shokin is out.

Biden got the new prosecutor general he wanted.
6.The new guy made a bit of show and then closed the case against Zlochevsky:

Mr. Shokin was replaced by a prosecutor named Yuriy Lutsenko, whom former Vice President Biden later called “someone who was solid at the time.”
Mr. Zlochevsky’s representatives were pleased by the choice, concluding they could work with Mr. Lutsenko to resolve the oligarch’s legal issues, according to the people familiar with the situation.
While Mr. Lutsenko initially took a hard line against Burisma, within 10 months after he took office, Burisma announced that Mr. Lutsenko and the courts had “fully closed” all “legal proceedings and pending criminal allegations” against Mr. Zlochevsky and his companies.

The oligarch, who had fled the country amid investigations by previous prosecutors, was removed by a Ukrainian court from “the wanted list,” and returned to the country.

When the political wind from Washington changed the prosecutor general Biden earlier lauded proved to be flexible:

The timeline above seems to support
Shokin’s claim that he was fired on Joe Biden’s order because he went after Zlochevsky who paid Biden’s son a very significant monthly sum.

That U.S. main stream media try to obfuscate or even deny that Shokin was serious in his investigation lets one doubt their other claims about the Biden affair and the now evolving impeachment inquiry.
https://mronline.org/2019/10/07/when...g-into-action/

https://mronline.org/2019/10/07/when...g-into-action/

[dukkha]

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-No-2-official

[LV426]

not for impeachment which is an open political process . It's the Schiff show instead

Impeachment process is determined by pre-ordained rules, to which the Democrats are adhering.

he is the reason Drumpf mentioned the phone call :Bidens"

So now you're admitting there was a QPQ since it was all about the "Bidens".

Remember, not once does Trump even utter the word "corruption" on the call summary...but he does say the Biden name at least two times.

because I stronglyt suspect a political operative planned a hit job with Schiff and his atty Zaid.

What's more likely;

A) that there's a wide-ranging conspiracy involving thousands of people, our intelligence agencies, our allies, the State Department, the media, the Bidens, Clinton, Obama, and the Democratic Party who all conspired to throw the election to Trump just so they could maybe impeach him a couple years later after winning the House in 2018...

OR

B) That you're a fucking idiot who was grifted?

[dukkha]

Impeachment process is determined by pre-ordained rules, to which the Democrats are adhering.

no they are not "pre-ordained"but the re is strong precedence for full representation and transparency in previous attempts

So now you're admitting there was a QPQ since it was all about the "Bidens".

Remember, not once does Trump even utter the word "corruption" on the call summary...but he does say the Biden name at least two times.

the was no QPQ. there was no investigation by Zelensky,and the aid was not withheld past any Congressional deadline. There is already evidence Ukraine meddled in support of Clinton in the 2016 election

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446

What's more likely; that there's a wide-ranging conspiracy involving thousands of people, our intelligence agencies, our allies, the State Department, the media, the Bidens, Clinton, Obama, and the Democratic Party who all conspired to throw the election to Trump just so they could maybe impeach him a couple years later after winning the House in 2018, or that you're a fucking idiot who was grifted?

not "thousands" not even hundreds, but just like the Russian hoax the IC leadership.

[LV426]

no they are not "pre-ordained"but the re is strong precedence for full representation and transparency in previous attempts

The House gets to run its impeachment as it sees fit. Stop whining. You'll get your chance to defend this trainwreck, though, you probably bit off more than you could chew.

the was no QPQ.

You just admitted that was the subject.

there was no investigation by Zelensky

Zelensky doesn't matter here...it was Trump who took the action. Whether or not Zelensky did or didn't report it or investigate it doesn't change that Trump did it and admitted to it.

the aid was not withheld past any Congressional deadline.

Way to move that bar.

So the aid was held up then...why? Because, as Sondland said, it was because they wanted Zelensky to state publicly that he was investigating Biden.

There is already evidence Ukraine meddled in support of Clinton in the 2016 election

No there isn't. This is Guiliani's conspiracy theory that was laughed out of the State Department.

not "thousands" not even hundreds, but just like the Russian hoax the IC leadership.

How do you know?

And What Russian hoax? Why did Manafort share polling data with Kilmnik?