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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Nobody wants to nullify it, the Third Amendmant isn't nullified, but it can be regulated, just as all the other Constitutional rights are regulated
    I didn’t say that the Second Amendment can’t be regulated, just that it can’t be nullified.

    The left has been trying, for a hundred years, to nullify the Second and it will not happen, especially with the Supreme Court as now constituted. More Justices to be appointed in the next five years of the Trump Administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I didn’t say that the Second Amendment can’t be regulated, just that it can’t be nullified.

    The left has been trying, for a hundred years, to nullify the Second and it will not happen, especially with the Supreme Court as now constituted. More Justices to be appointed in the next five years of the Trump Administration.
    Wrong, proven by the fact you can not show us where any meaningful effort was made to actually nullify the Second Amendment. Regulating guns is not nullifying the Second Amendmemt, just as having to get a permit to have a parade doesn't nullify the First Amendment

    And you are incorrect again on the SCOTUS, even with the whacky precedents set by the Holder Case even Scalia in his majority opinion warned none of it was absolute

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Nobody wants to nullify it, the Third Amendmant isn't nullified, but it can be regulated, just as all the other Constitutional rights are regulated
    Democrats openly call for widespread confiscation. That has zero to do with nullification (which is a state sovereignty measure against federal overreach), but let's not start just blatantly lying about what Democrats are TELLING US they want. And no, "shall not be infringed" means federal gun laws have zero authority to exist under the Constitution...as does the fact that the Constitution never expressly authorizes the Federal Government to regulate guns.

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    you can not show us where any meaningful effort was made to actually nullify the Second Amendment.
    This is the fallacy of pretending that trying to regulate and tax guns into oblivion without technically calling it full-scale confiscation (which has happened before as well...see Hurricane Katrina) doesn't constitute an attempt to disarm people.

    Next lie, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    By declaring that any state, county, or city can decide to disobey and defy legitimately enacted federal laws, just on preference alone (thereby undoing their dismissal of legal concepts such as nullification), Democrats have opened up ALL jurisdictions to this complete and utter disregard for the rule of law on ALL legislation. Exhibit A: Jurisdictions now declaring themselves gun law sanctuaries. It's nice to see Democrats finally acknowledging states' rights and the conservative concept that all the power should be kept at the lowest level, where the individual has maximum control over his own life and existence...but I thought "no one was above the law." This is not the first time Democrats have demonstrated the validity of nullification as a defense against (what they absurdly perceive as) federal tyranny. They've also done it with drug laws, the REAL ID Act, and several others. Side note: The first jurisdiction to declare itself a sanctuary from illegal gun laws, Obamacare, the IRS, and endless Democrat attacks on the 1st Amendment will have my tax dollars for life.

    But yeah, leave it to Democrats to demonstrate the merits of conservative principles and ideas while trying to fight, smear, and dismiss them.

    Florida county first in state to enact 'Second Amendment Sanctuary'
    ^Another ignorant dumbfuck that doesn’t know shit about sanctuary cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Democrats openly call for widespread confiscation. That has zero to do with nullification (which is a state sovereignty measure against federal overreach), but let's not start just blatantly lying about what Democrats are TELLING US they want. And no, "shall not be infringed" means federal gun laws have zero authority to exist under the Constitution...as does the fact that the Constitution never expressly authorizes the Federal Government to regulate guns.

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    This is the fallacy of pretending that trying to regulate and tax guns into oblivion without technically calling it full-scale confiscation (which has happened before as well...see Hurricane Katrina) doesn't constitute an attempt to disarm people.

    Next lie, please.
    Read Heller, you ignorant fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    The difference is that conservatives use nullification to defy unconstitutional federal tyranny, while Democrats do it rig elections they can't win on fair terms.

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    the court records of this nation right up to the SCOTUS PROVES the Republican party has cheated Americans out of their rights to vote for decades to STEAL the POWER from the PEOPLE


    There is NO LIKE RECORDS IN THE USA COURT RECORDS involving the DEMOCRATIC PARTY

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...consent-decree

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    DNC v. RNC Consent Decree


    In 1982, after caging in predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods, the Republican National Committee and New Jersey Republican State Committee entered into a consent decree with their Democratic party counterparts.

    Published: November 5, 2016

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    In 1982, after caging in predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods, the Republican National Committee and New Jersey Republican State Committee entered into a consent decree with their Democratic party counterparts. Under that decree and its 1987 successor, the Republican party organizations agreed to allow a federal court to review proposed “ballot security” programs, including any proposed voter caging.
    The consent decree has been invoked several times, by the parties to the decree and by others. In late 2008, the Democratic National Committee and Obama for America sought to enforce the consent decree, claiming that the RNC had not submitted alleged ballot security operations for review. After the election, the RNC asked the federal court to vacate or substantially modify the decree. The court denied the RNC's motion to vacate the consent decree and ordered the decree remain in effect until December 2017. The RNC then appealed to the Third Circuit, which unanimously rejected the appeal and affirmed the District Court's decision. A subsequent petition for rehearing en banc by the full Third Circuit, and a certiorari petition to U.S. Supreme Court, were denied.
    On October 26, 2016, the DNC filed a motion asking that the court find the RNC had violated the decree. On November 5, after abbreviated discovery, the district court denied the DNC’s request, ruling that the DNC had not provided sufficient evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and the RNC on ballot-security operations, but will allow the DNC to offer further evidence after the election.
    Click here to learn more about voter caging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Democrats openly call for widespread confiscation. That has zero to do with nullification (which is a state sovereignty measure against federal overreach), but let's not start just blatantly lying about what Democrats are TELLING US they want. And no, "shall not be infringed" means federal gun laws have zero authority to exist under the Constitution...as does the fact that the Constitution never expressly authorizes the Federal Government to regulate guns.
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    Next lie, please.
    And you are incorrect also, again, show us a meaningful effort by anyone to confiscate guns, and don't return with what one candidate said at a debate, that is not meaningful. Pure NRA, or should I say gun manufactures, bullshit, scare tactic to sell more guns

    Obvious you don't know the prefatory clause to the Amendmemt, which in over two hundred years no one, to include no SCOTUS, has been able to define. The later doesn't have the blanket application you think it does if you can't define the conditional clause

    And as I said, and you don't seem to understand, no, none, zero, zilch right in the Constitution is absolute, never has been, never will be, they all can and are regulated, and that my good friend, is a fact

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    go to the link for the Brennan Justice center


    every one of those cases is clickable as a link

    and this is NOT all their elections crimes

    there are MORE unrelated to this particular case of election cheating by heaving legal voters off the voting roles with lies


    again there is NO LIKE RECORD IN OUR COURT FOR THE DEMOCRATRIC PARTY

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    the court records of this nation right up to the SCOTUS PROVES the Republican party has cheated Americans out of their rights to vote for decades to STEAL the POWER from the PEOPLE. There is NO LIKE RECORDS IN THE USA COURT RECORDS involving the DEMOCRATIC PARTY
    "Cheated," meaning tried to stop Democrat cheating. And Democrats (the party of ACORN) trying to accuse ANYONE ELSE of cheating is hilariously dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    go to the link for the Brennan Justice center
    Your source admits it is left-wing, and its examples are all of Republicans fighting relentless Democrat efforts to steal elections. Ridiculous propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    And you are incorrect also, again, show us a meaningful effort by anyone to confiscate guns
    There's no need when you criminalize and over-regulate every aspect of gun ownership to a point at which guns effectively already ARE illegal...



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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Obvious you don't know the prefatory clause to the Amendmemt, which in over two hundred years no one, to include no SCOTUS, has been able to define. The later doesn't have the blanket application you think it does if you can't define the conditional clause
    Obvious you aren't familiar with the author of the Constitution himself, who is on the record emphatically stating that you are wrong on this. Madison clarified that the powers of the federal government are “few and defined,” and that the rights of the states and The People were “numerous and indefinite.” He added that the kind of baseless butchery of the Constitution that you are parroting here would render “the special and careful enumeration of powers which follow the clause nugatory and improper. Such a view of the Constitution would give the Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them.”

    Why would he specify this unless the Founders really WEREN'T lying when they told everyone that they had created a government that had only the powers that were expressly delegated to it and nothing more?

    Pssst: Your indoctrination and ignorance are showing.

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    And as I said, and you don't seem to understand, no, none, zero, zilch right in the Constitution is absolute, never has been, never will be, they all can and are regulated, and that my good friend, is a fact
    And following the Constitution (i.e., not illegally regulating things the Federal Government isn't authorized to even be INVOLVED IN) is not suggesting that rights CAN'T be regulated...just that those with the actual legal authority to do it should be the ones to do it if it is going to be done.

    Next fallacy please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    "Cheated," meaning tried to stop Democrat cheating. And Democrats (the party of ACORN) trying to accuse ANYONE ELSE of cheating is hilariously dishonest.

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    Democratic Operative Explains Voter Fraud: We've Been Busing People in for 50 years

    Nebraska Democrats 'Welcome' Refugees...With Voter Registration Forms

    Skid Row voter fraud Prosecutors homeless offered cash cigarettes exchange hundreds

    It Sure Looks Like Democrats in Florida Altered Ballots

    Twelve Employees of Dem-tied Group Charged in Indiana for Voter Registration Fraud

    DOJ whistleblower: Obama years were 'Wild West' of voter fraud

    Maryland county's count suggests noncitizens voting across U.S.

    Turns Out, Noncitizens Did Vote In November, Only Question Is How Many?

    Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

    Study Claims Up To 2.8 Million Non-Citizens Voted In 2008

    Orange County vote count suggests fraud

    GA Secy of State office announces probe of alleged hacking attempt into voter registration

    San Francisco Registers 49 Noncitizen Voters—at a Cost of More Than $6,300 Each

    Democrat-Directed Voter Fraud Uncovered In Florida

    Report: Palm Beach Recount Is Missing A ‘Substantial’ Number Of Votes

    Arrest Florida election supervisor for voter fraud!

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    Poll officials allow 'tons' of illegals to vote

    The people behind that Texas voter fraud ring have been identified

    New Voter Fraud Cases Show Need to Secure Our Elections

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    Kansas Prosecuting Illegal Immigrant For Casting Vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    Pointlessness from Capt. Bullshit. Has nothing to do with anything involving gun restrictions that are on the table. Poor paranoid kiddos and their damn boogiemen.
    It is not constitutional for the federal government to limit any gun or guns. See Articles I, II, and the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Nobody wants to nullify it, the Third Amendmant isn't nullified, but it can be regulated, just as all the other Constitutional rights are regulated
    WRONG. The right to self defense is not given by the Constitution. The Constitution directs the government to keep their mitts off of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wrong, proven by the fact you can not show us where any meaningful effort was made to actually nullify the Second Amendment. Regulating guns is not nullifying the Second Amendmemt, just as having to get a permit to have a parade doesn't nullify the First Amendment

    And you are incorrect again on the SCOTUS, even with the whacky precedents set by the Holder Case even Scalia in his majority opinion warned none of it was absolute
    No court has the authority to change the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    It is not constitutional for the federal government to limit any gun or guns. See Articles I, II, and the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments.
    Read Heller, dumbfuck

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