8 times Obama offered quid pro quo for U.S. foreign aid

[zymurgy]

That's YOU ... looking in the mirror!

yawn

[christiefan915]

So, if every president for generations has done this, and Obama did more than most...did they all need to be impeached, Obama top among them...or are Democrats just arbitrarily inventing another blatantly dishonest new standard out of thin air for only Trump to follow?

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8 times the Obama administration put conditions on foreign aid



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How about posting the number of times any president made aid contingent on digging up dirt about a political rival.

[Jack]

yawn

In all my time here, ... I have never, ... NEVER heard anyone say they want to to grow up and be a Trump Stooge like Arminius. Zymurgy, ... you have really taken the bait on this one.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

So, if every president for generations has done this, and Obama did more than most...did they all need to be impeached, Obama top among them...or are Democrats just arbitrarily inventing another blatantly dishonest new standard out of thin air for only Trump to follow?

My, someone has been busy!

As you correctly point out, there's nothing wrong with using diplomatic leverage to obtain a QPQ provided it isn't for one's own personal benefit. That's the problem people have with Tump's actions in Ukraine - he was obviously hoping to get a political benefit for his campaign in the coming US election. Maybe he thinks a President is entitled to do that, but it isn't how a POTUS should behave, see?

Some earlier Presidents, such as Nixon and Reagan, have done that, but they were a lot smarter than Trump, and got away with it.

Ukraine

The Obama-era “quid pro quo” that has had the greatest impact on Trump’s presidency is the threat from Joe Biden to withhold a $1 billion loan to Ukraine in exchange for the ouster of a prosecutor Biden accused of corruption [who just happened to be investigating Biden's son]. Joe Biden even bragged about the “quid pro quo” at an event held by the Council on Foreign Relations in January 2018]

No, that isn't one of the naughty ones. Why? Because Prosecutor-General Shokin was NOT investigating Biden's son or his company Burisma at the time Biden called for his removal, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine. The problem was something else entirely - Shokin's mega corruption.

Shokin was dismissed at the urging of several European governments and the Intenational Monetary Fund as well as the US.
Trump and Giuliani know this. Sorry if you don't.

[Nordberg]

Arminius knows better. The difference is huge and he is trying to fool those with poor comprehension. That is, of course, most rightys. Trump sought a personal gain that included Zelensky interfering in our election to help him. He got away, so far, with having Russia interfere for his advantage the last election. The Cartman presidency contnues. No Obama did nothing like that and he showed 8 examples that proved he did not.

[Flash]

Arminius knows better. The difference is huge and he is trying to fool those with poor comprehension. That is, of course, most rightys. Trump sought a personal gain that included Zelensky interfering in our election to help him. He got away, so far, with having Russia interfere for his advantage the last election. The Cartman presidency contnues. No Obama did nothing like that and he showed 8 examples that proved he did not.

Sometimes I wonder if Trump (purposely or not) got a lot more media focus on Biden than if Zelensky had actually agreed to investigate.

[Jack]

My, someone has been busy!

As you correctly point out, there's nothing wrong with using diplomatic leverage to obtain a QPQ provided it isn't for one's own personal benefit. That's the problem people have with Tump's actions in Ukraine - he was obviously hoping to get a political benefit for his campaign in the coming US election. Maybe he thinks a President is entitled to do that, but it isn't how a POTUS should behave, see?

Some earlier Presidents, such as Nixon and Reagan, have done that, but they were a lot smarter than Trump, and got away with it.




No, that isn't one of the naughty ones. Why? Because Prosecutor-General Shokin was NOT investigating Biden's son or his company Burisma at the time Biden called for his removal, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine. The problem was something else entirely - Shokin's mega corruption.

Shokin was dismissed at the urging of several European governments and the Intenational Monetary Fund as well as the US.
Trump and Giuliani know this. Sorry if you don't.

Half the Trump Supporters are deliberately 'Playing Stupid'. The other half ... actually are. (at this point, I'm not sure which half represents Arminius)

[cancel2 2022]

My, someone has been busy!

As you correctly point out, there's nothing wrong with using diplomatic leverage to obtain a QPQ provided it isn't for one's own personal benefit. That's the problem people have with Tump's actions in Ukraine - he was obviously hoping to get a political benefit for his campaign in the coming US election. Maybe he thinks a President is entitled to do that, but it isn't how a POTUS should behave, see?

Some earlier Presidents, such as Nixon and Reagan, have done that, but they were a lot smarter than Trump, and got away with it.




No, that isn't one of the naughty ones. Why? Because Prosecutor-General Shokin was NOT investigating Biden's son or his company Burisma at the time Biden called for his removal, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine. The problem was something else entirely - Shokin's mega corruption.

Shokin was dismissed at the urging of several European governments and the Intenational Monetary Fund as well as the US.
Trump and Giuliani know this. Sorry if you don't.

So they should hurry up and impeach him then, that will guarantee a Trump win next year.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

'Penderyn is an embarrassing intellectual cripple. Don't pick on him too much. '

MA, PH.D,. M.Ed., ectuelleh, peasant.

[Getin the ring]

'Penderyn is an embarrassing intellectual cripple. Don't pick on him too much. '

MA, PH.D,. M.Ed., ectuelleh, peasant.

I am holier than thou, always have been always will be

you fit right in with liberal wasteland America, pull up a chair make yourself comfortable

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I am holier than thou, always have been always will be

you fit right in with liberal wasteland America, pull up a chair make yourself comfortable

Eh? I'm not a Liberal, I'm not an American, I'm not holy. Moreover, my urge to go to America died the death when I was about twenty-two and I realised the risks of going to a madhouse without a Health Service. I'm choosy about the people I sit with too!

[Cypress]

A very deceptive response

Since you refuse to comport yourself with the Buddhist tenets of integrity and honesty this modification was necessary

except there was an attempt to solicit a foreign government to undermine a domestic political opponent no shakedown, and no investigation of a "political rival

[zymurgy]

In all my time here, ... I have never, ... NEVER heard anyone say they want to to grow up and be a Trump Stooge like Arminius. Zymurgy, ... you have really taken the bait on this one.

yawning at the shit stain

[CFM]

"But, but, but Obama". (shaking head) How sad.

So you admit the black boy isn't being held to the same standard as the white man? How sad.

[artichoke]

How about posting the number of times any president made aid contingent on digging up dirt about a political rival.

Say the people who colluded with a foreign agent to manufacture bullshit partisan propaganda (the dossier) so it could be used to lie to a federal judge to illegally spy on a rival campaign to rig the 2016 election. And again, it is not new or even controversial for presidents to ask foreign leaders for political favors.

Try again.

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