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    Default Confederate Monuments and White Victimhood

    I think that when white Confederate sympathizers demand that we honor their dead, they ignobly play the victims twice over. First, in proclaiming as virtuous their ancestors' sacrifice to a Lost Cause. And again when demanding that we honor such shameful deeds.

    I think Confederate monuments should be removed from public spaces. I think their cheap, bronze and zinc casts should be melted down, their marble bases ground into dust. I do not think monuments to soldiers who fought and died to preserve white supremacy belong in front of our community courthouses, public squares or public universities. To be sure, if a museum wishes to house them, then let those museums have them


    There are those who believe that the men these monuments honor were just men of their time, and should be judged against the values of their era and not ours. They must also believe that the nearly four million enslaved men, women and children either had no values, or shared the values of their enslavers.


    https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/new...te-victimhood/
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    I think that when white Confederate sympathizers demand that we honor their dead, they ignobly play the victims twice over. First, in proclaiming as virtuous their ancestors' sacrifice to a Lost Cause. And again when demanding that we honor such shameful deeds.

    I think Confederate monuments should be removed from public spaces. I think their cheap, bronze and zinc casts should be melted down, their marble bases ground into dust. I do not think monuments to soldiers who fought and died to preserve white supremacy belong in front of our community courthouses, public squares or public universities. To be sure, if a museum wishes to house them, then let those museums have them


    There are those who believe that the men these monuments honor were just men of their time, and should be judged against the values of their era and not ours. They must also believe that the nearly four million enslaved men, women and children either had no values, or shared the values of their enslavers.


    https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/new...te-victimhood/
    Sounds like James Thomas is trying to make himself out to be a victim. The snowflake gets his feelings hurt when he sees things he doesn't like.

    It's hard to tell what's worse, his meaningless opinion or the meaningless subject he teaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Guano has been blackballed!!

    In more ways than one.

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    It is rather astounding that we still have apologists / excusers for slavery in America? A nation founded on the enlightenment concept of reason and our preamble that all men are created equal is lost in our current tribal groupthink. Are we as a nation getting dumber, less charitable and less American? Republicans today wouldn't know what to do with a Lincoln as they kowtow to charlatan who bribes other nations for dirt on a fellow American. Stuff below is for the interested readers still out there.

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    "Her conclusion is that the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery, and that we should take their word for it."

    AmericanHeritage.com / Why the Civil War Was Fought, Really

    "Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. Franklin explained that . . . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. "

    WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers and Slavery

    Southern arguments for and against: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...st.html?cat=37

    Agrument v Lincoln's position

    http://apollo3.com/~jameso/secession.html

    Does the constitution allow secession http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20041124.html

    AmericanHeritage.com / How the North Lost the Civil War
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Guano has been blackballed!!
    maybe if your spawners weren't alcoholics
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    I think that when white Confederate sympathizers demand that we honor their dead, they ignobly play the victims twice over. First, in proclaiming as virtuous their ancestors' sacrifice to a Lost Cause. And again when demanding that we honor such shameful deeds.

    I think Confederate monuments should be removed from public spaces. I think their cheap, bronze and zinc casts should be melted down, their marble bases ground into dust. I do not think monuments to soldiers who fought and died to preserve white supremacy belong in front of our community courthouses, public squares or public universities. To be sure, if a museum wishes to house them, then let those museums have them


    There are those who believe that the men these monuments honor were just men of their time, and should be judged against the values of their era and not ours. They must also believe that the nearly four million enslaved men, women and children either had no values, or shared the values of their enslavers.


    https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/new...te-victimhood/
    Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of men who fought in the Confederate army never owned even one slave. This is an excellent article on why common non slave owners fought.
    Churches were the center of social and intellectual life in the south. That was where people congregated, where they learned about the world and their place in it, and where they received moral guidance. The clergy comprised the community’s cultural leaders and educators and carried tremendous influence with slaveholders and non-slaveholders alike. What were Southern pastors, preachers, and religious leaders telling their flock?
    Southern clergy defended the morality of slavery through an elaborate scriptural defense built on the infallibility of the Bible, which they held up as the universal and objective standard for moral issues. Religious messages from pulpit and from a growing religious press accounted in large part for the extreme, uncompromising, ideological atmosphere of the time.
    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...herners-fought

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    It is rather astounding that we still have apologists / excusers for slavery in America? A nation founded on the enlightenment concept of reason and our preamble that all men are created equal is lost in our current tribal groupthink. Are we as a nation getting dumber, less charitable and less American? Republicans today wouldn't know what to do with a Lincoln as they kowtow to charlatan who bribes other nations for dirt on a fellow American. Stuff below is for the interested readers still out there.

    ------------

    "Her conclusion is that the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery, and that we should take their word for it."

    AmericanHeritage.com / Why the Civil War Was Fought, Really

    "Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. Franklin explained that . . . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. "

    WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers and Slavery

    Southern arguments for and against: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...st.html?cat=37

    Agrument v Lincoln's position

    http://apollo3.com/~jameso/secession.html

    Does the constitution allow secession http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20041124.html

    AmericanHeritage.com / How the North Lost the Civil War
    Who is excusing slavery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of men who fought in the Confederate army never owned even one slave. This is an excellent article on why common non slave owners fought.
    They got conned by the rich landowners,poor damned fools,got conned into treason
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    They got conned by the rich landowners,poor damned fools,got conned into treason
    Yep! So to show our benevolence toward victims we should tear down all the monuments to the poor fools who were conned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of men who fought in the Confederate army never owned even one slave. This is an excellent article on why common non slave owners fought.
    Even in the German SS, let alone the German Army, there were lots of soldiers who never murdered a single Jew. The mugs are easily brainwashed, which is why you are ruled by a senile clown, obviously. We have the same sort of crap over here with Brexit. The question is whether Germany should put up statues to Extermination Camp commanders and such. You think they should?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle-Eye View Post
    Yep! So to show our benevolence toward victims we should tear down all the monuments to the poor fools who were conned.
    All monuments on public grounds have to come down.Private property,museums,battle fields fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Even in the German SS, let alone the German Army, there were lots of soldiers who never murdered a single Jew. The mugs are easily brainwashed, which is why you are ruled by a senile clown, obviously. We have the same sort of crap over here with Brexit. The question is whether Germany should put up statues to Extermination Camp commanders and such. You think they should?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    All monuments on public grounds have to come down.Private property,museums,battle fields fine
    So your saying all monuments on public property should be destroyed! GOT IT!

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