What made America great before there was a need to MAGA

[evince]

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_f...u_handouts.pdf

[Iolo/Penderyn]

American Exceptionalism ( before the neocons bastardized the phrase)

Not every country, after all, had other people's land to steal or millions of kidnapped people for forced labour. 'Freedom' was a bit limited, if you ask me.

[dukkha]

Since the earliest days of colonial settlement, the Puritan settler Winthrop conceived of America as a “city on a hill,” a distinct place with a heaven-sent obligation to build a new and pure world. In the aftermath of the War for Independence, many citizens agreed with William Findley, a farmer from western Pennsylvania who would later serve in Congress, that Americans had “formed a character peculiar to themselves, and in some respects distinct from that of other nations.” During his travels across the young country in 1831 and 1832, the French statesman Alexis de Tocqueville concluded that “the position of America is therefore quite exceptional,” for indeed, many of the people whom he consulted believed, in the words of one of his Boston informants, that “there are no precedents for our history.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...history-216253

[artichoke]

How can they possibly be called democracies, since they entrench a tiny minority in power and deny everyone else a chance to influence events?

Me: We are not a democracy. We are a republic. Both are compatible with capitalism

You: They aren't democracies.

Me: WHAT aren't democracies? You're trailing off into incoherent nonsense again.

When on earth did the rich, anywhere, ever, 'elevate the poor out of poverty',

No one said the rich did that. Learn how to read. What was said was that CAPITALISM elevates the poor out of poverty. And if you take a first-year economics course, you learn that free market competition lowers prices, improves choice and access, and provides jobs. It's not rocket science to anyone but the economically illiterate low-IQ left.

Grow up!

Understanding basic economic realities is...immature? Um, sure. Sound logic there, Socrates.

[evince]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic


In the US, the notion that a republic was a form of democracy was common from the time of its founding, and the concepts associated with representative democracy (and hence with a democratic republic) are suggested by John Adams (writing in 1784):
No determinations are carried, it is true, in a simple representative democracy, but by consent of the majority or their representatives.[6]
Historically, some inconsistency around the term is frequent. China claims to be the oldest of Asia's democratic republics, though its recent history of democratic process is largely linked only to Taiwan.[7] Likewise, Africa's oldest democratic republic, Liberia (formed in 1822), has had its political stability rocked by periodic violence and coups.[8]

[Earl]

Not every country, after all, had other people's land to steal or millions of kidnapped people for forced labour. 'Freedom' was a bit limited, if you ask me.

No one asked you, America hating Iolo sock.

[dukkha]

Not every country, after all, had other people's land to steal or millions of kidnapped people for forced labour. 'Freedom' was a bit limited, if you ask me.

facile. what matters is what we do, and we have done a lot for the world when we neded not to have saved you from Hitler etc.

But your's is a brooding loathing of western ideals for some reason -not our problem

[evince]

Me: We are not a democracy. We are a republic. Both are compatible with capitalism

says some fucking idiot on the internets


we are a democracy


you suck putins ass to claim this


go get the dictionary that says the USA is not a democracy

[artichoke]

when did the terms PURE DEMOCRACY and DIRECT DEMOCRACY emerge ?


when the founders of the USA created a hybrid government unlike any other ever seen to show the world what one man one vote looked like



the word democracy was changed forever


the only other democracies BEFORE THEM only allowed some to vote and everything was decided by those few who could vote



The founders of the USA changed the world FOREVER

and the word Democracy forever



The USA was that first Democracy


and still is


we are a democratic republic with a guiding constitution


its very telling that the republicans NOW HATE the word democracy


The cheating they do in elections is DESIGNED to not let every one vote

1) Greece was a democracy long before the U.S. was even a concept. Studying their blunders is how our Founders knew to avoid democracy.

2) The ACORN party that opposes voter ID laws and weaponizes government to rig elections against their opponents while protecting armed voter intimidation at the polls, openly facilitating illegal immigrant voting and that was literally caught rigging an election against Bernie Sanders...while staging one coup attempt after another to overthrow the 2016 election...accuses ANYONE ELSE of cheating?

[dukkha]

China claims the Middle Kingdom,it's not a unique idea -the proof is what you do with it, and we did a lot of good before the Neocons destroyed the usage for their"spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun "stupidity

[evince]

Democracy | Definition of Democracy by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

democracy: [noun] a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held …




Merriam fucking Websters you stupid brain putty asshole


the USA is a Democracy

and one has to wonder why REPUBLICANS keep screaming the lie that we are not

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Me: We are not a democracy. We are a republic. Both are compatible with capitalism

You: They aren't democracies.

Me: WHAT aren't democracies? You're trailing off into incoherent nonsense again.



No one said the rich did that. Learn how to read. What was said was that CAPITALISM elevates the poor out of poverty. And if you take a first-year economics course, you learn that free market competition lowers prices, improves choice and access, and provides jobs. It's not rocket science to anyone but the economically illiterate low-IQ left.



Understanding basic economic realities is...immature? Um, sure. Sound logic there, Socrates.

Capitalism, as you know, exists by stealing a high proportion of people's wages, and taxing them to pay to be brainwashed. Since you pretend not to know, capitalist states can't be democracies, because the electorate is not allowed to know the truth. Capitalism, like living in caves, is a necessary stage in evolution, but it's time to move on - or die = now. It is interesting to see how none of you can ever discuss anything without screaming silly insults, don't you think?

[evince]

1) Greece was a democracy long before the U.S. was even a concept. Studying their blunders is how our Founders knew to avoid democracy.

2) The ACORN party that opposes voter ID laws and weaponizes government to rig elections against their opponents while protecting armed voter intimidation at the polls, openly facilitating illegal immigrant voting and that was literally caught rigging an election against Bernie Sanders...while staging one coup attempt after another to overthrow the 2016 election...accuses ANYONE ELSE of cheating?

Document your lie filled claim with something respectable asshole


some internets poster making feces brained claims based on nothing doesn't get it


FACTS GET IT DONE


and facts seem to hate you as much as you hate them

[Iolo/Penderyn]

facile. what matters is what we do, and we have done a lot for the world when we neded not to have saved you from Hitler etc.

But your's is a brooding loathing of western ideals for some reason -not our problem

Stalin did that. I'm afraid, while you were engaged elsewhere. I REPRESENT western ideals, kid.

[evince]

Capitalism, as you know, exists by stealing a high proportion of people's wages, and taxing them to pay to be brainwashed. Since you pretend not to know, capitalist states can't be democracies, because the electorate is not allowed to know the truth. Capitalism, like living in caves, is a necessary stage in evolution, but it's time to move on - or die = now. It is interesting to see how none of you can ever discuss anything without screaming silly insults, don't you think?

CAPITALISM WORKES GREAT COMBINED WITH DEMOCRACY


the republicans have just worked for decades to try and destroy democracy


the example is right here with these assholes trying to claim the USA is NOT a Democracy