Taichiliberal (12-05-2019)
Hello Taichiliberal,
They have impeccable careers with decades of professional State experience working for both Democratic and Republican administrations. One of the tenets of their loyalty to the United States is that they remain strictly non-partisan. It was these non-partisan professionals, one after another, who risked their personal careers to come forward and testify against the President.
We could not have heard from a more impartial group of witnesses who all told the same story. Trump is corrupt and risked American security interests to rig the 2020 election.
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Taichiliberal (12-05-2019)
Daddyo, yes, you are wrong. You mean hearsay not heresy. It's heresy when the President won't let those who have first-hand knowledge testify under oath yet attack the others. That's horsecrap, Daddyo.
The Russians help Trump, end of story. The Ukrainians helped Trump, end of story. Barr and Horowitz and Durham are failing in helping Trump, end of story.
Hypocrites like you will outed every day in every way when you pull this anti-American nonsense.
PoliTalker (12-03-2019), Taichiliberal (12-05-2019)
Last edited by PoliTalker; 12-03-2019 at 08:17 AM.
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Hello Daddyo,
I thought the impeachment was a good thing for Trump fans. Wasn't Trump taunting them to go ahead and impeach earlier this year? So he got what he wanted and now you're afraid this Constitutional oversight will damage Trump politically? Doubtful. The Trump cult seems to have all the Trump fans well hypnotized to not see clear evidence of wrongdoing by Trump.
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Hello Daddyo,
I am glad you're here to discuss US Politics, but you are not making a very good case for your view. Please allow me to rip your arguments to shreds:
Then you should also understand that the President has prevented America from hearing from the key witnesses whose testimony would be direct evidence. That is obstruction of justice. It is highly disingenuous of Republicans claim there is a lack of direct evidence when the chief Republican has prevented the key witnesses from testifying on nefarious grounds.
It is not a transcript. It is a recollection.
False narrative. If true, Trump would have mentioned corruption in the phone call. He did not.
That is not supported by our intelligence. It is a crackpot wild conspiracy theory without a sound basis. Trump was warned by the State department not to pursue this baseless nonsense.
The facts do not support your position and I do not need to resort to name-calling to present them.
'You Guys?' Now you are stereotyping and talking about other people as a diversion from talking about the facts of the case.
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Truth Detector (12-03-2019)
Cherry picking.....what are you talking about? You and your ilk ignore statements by one of the 2 players involved because they are inconvenient to your fantasy. The guy said there was no QPQ no pressure. Still you reach a conclusion opposite this fact. A conclusion which mirrors your obvious dislike of this president. You accuse me of missing facts due to bias when you in fact are all eat up with bias to include ignoring exculpatory fact evidence from the supposed victim. You just cant make this crap up. This is a soft coup nothing more.
The same people who accuse trump of election meddling have in fact meddled and are meddling now by bringing this horse shit accusation in the first place. We know what your people did to trump with the spying and then the BS Russia crap salad.
Biden is corrupt. He admitted to the QPQ so no help was even needed in proving that. It's on camera. That's what a real QPQ looks like BTW.
Trumps so corrupt that you can't provide a stitch of evidence of anything. The fake news media can't find anything. The obama IRS (we remember how militarized they were then) cant find anything. The Obama CIA,FBI, and DOJ cant find anything DESPITE all the powers at there disposal AND 3 years of looking. But but but YOU know he is guilty lol. Amazing bias and amazing lack of critical thinking skills.
Thank you for the welcome btw. I am enjoying the debate.
Truth Detector (12-03-2019)
Ukraine helped hillary. Russia wanted Hillary unless you want logical folks to believe that an oil based economy wanted someone who would lower oil prices through increasing US supply or our enemy wanted a stronger US military. Hillary was soft on the military rebuild AND against fossil fuel production. Both beneficial for Russia.
So please explain to me why Russia would want trump. Explain why the 2 year Mueller report found no evidence. Please acknowledge which candidate would have been better for Russia. If you say Hillary then why?
Bizarro world you liberals live in.
Hermes Thoth (12-03-2019)
welcome aboard, daddyo.
I'm not afraid sir I simply stated the demoncrats reasoning for taking this ridiculous path. They are the ones afraid. Heck many house dems have said impeachment is the only hope. I can't wait to vote. Furthur in my entire 50 plus years of life I have never seen black support for a republican candidate for any office so high. It's at 30 percent and I can see it in my customer base. Same for latinos in recent years. Now independents are moving to trump because of the utter crazed bias attacks being tossed at trump. No I'm excited about 2020.
My apologies for the name calling.
You are educated so you know that the president has the right to prevent staff from testifying. It's a separation of powers deal and many presidents including your messiah Obama used. It is not obstruction. Furthur your gold fish eyed treasonous comrade Schiff refused to allow many witnesses in the sham trial.
The "recollection" is commonly known as the transcript.
Trump has mentioned corruption many times to Ukraine. Our support of the new president was contingent on it. Many staffers testified to this. So it is safe to presume that the problems mentioned by Zelinski that were being fixed was the corruption. If its known and they seem to be talking about it it need not be specifically mentioned. The mere mention of the crooked old finger nibbling creeper Biden was enough for anyone with half an unbiased brain to understand they were talking corruption.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Politico
"Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton."
I may be mistaken but I dont lie. In this case I was right. Read it over a year ago. You can fall for the demoncrats propaganda but I prefer proof.
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